Hey, pennant guys

[Fballguy]

[QUOTE=bocca001;2174518]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Looks great Marc. Interesting too that the Niners version is the only one that I can recall seeing in which the player graphic overlays the font.

Rob- I think that it is just variation in quality control. I've seen one without the spine/graphic overlay. Overall, this one is in great shape given the age, from spine to tip

Actually...I was referring to the players hand overlaying the "S". This is the only version of the stiff arm pennant I've seen like that and all Niners versions look like this. Do you think that was intentional or a quality control issue? Maybe in the 40s, red felt only came in one size and it was a few inches too small so they scrunched everything up?

[bocca001]

Ah... I thought you mean the spine. Had not noticed the S.

I did spend some time on your website today looking at all of the other 1940s pro teams with these pennants, like the Brooklyn Dodgers and Boston Yankees and Chicago Rockets. Seems to date these clearly to the 1940s +/- few years.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Ah... I thought you mean the spine. Had not noticed the S.

I did spend some time on your website today looking at all of the other 1940s pro teams with these pennants, like the Brooklyn Dodgers and Boston Yankees and Chicago Rockets. Seems to date these clearly to the 1940s +/- few years.

Yeah...I typically attribute them from mid 40s to early 50s. A lot of AAFC teams represented (1946-49) and there's a Dallas Texans version, who only existed for one season in 1952.

[bocca001]

What are the teams represented on the baseball sliders? Do they help ID the years (e.g., Mil vs. Boston Braves; Browns vs. Orioles)? I know that the NY Giants have one, but not the SF Giants.

[ooo-ribay]

^^^^^ Is that pennant black? If so, I like it more than my blues….a lot more.

[bocca001]

It's dark blue

[ooo-ribay]

It would look good in black.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

What are the teams represented on the baseball sliders? Do they help ID the years (e.g., Mil vs. Boston Braves; Browns vs. Orioles)? I know that the NY Giants have one, but not the SF Giants.

I've just had a quick look at my catalog. Here's examples that I see with this graphic or close variations.

• Yankees
• Boston Braves
• Phillies
• Senators
• Brookly Dodgers
• Orioles (The Yellow Orioles Pennant is from 1947)
• Red Sox
• NY Giants
• Cubs

I think it's fair to say that they dates from the 40s - the early 50s. The Braves moved from Boston in 1952. The Dodgers and the Giants moved from NY in 1957.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I've just had a quick look at my catalog. Here's examples that I see with this graphic or close variations.

• Yankees
• Boston Braves
• Phillies
• Senators
• Brookly Dodgers
• Orioles (The Yellow Orioles Pennant is from 1947)
• Red Sox
• NY Giants
• Cubs

I think it's fair to say that they dates from the 40s - the early 50s. The Braves moved from Boston in 1952. The Dodgers and the Giants moved from NY in 1957.

Hmmm … Senators is WGN. Braves and Red Sox are Ad Flag. The Giants at the bottom of column 2 is a seperate unknown company. The others all seem to be the same company. This includes all the late 40s team pennants with names like this one

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Hmmm … Senators is WGN. Braves and Red Sox are Ad Flag. The Giants at the bottom of column 2 is a seperate unknown company. The others all seem to be the same company. This includes all the late 40s team pennants with names like this one

I was gonna say the same….similar motifs but definitely different makers.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Hmmm … Senators is WGN. Braves and Red Sox are Ad Flag. The Giants at the bottom of column 2 is a seperate unknown company. The others all seem to be the same company. This includes all the late 40s team pennants with names like this one

What's nice about the this 1950 NL champs pennant is the amount of hand written script utilized on it. When I'm trying to ID a pennant, I look closely at the artwork because I know, more often than not, the same artist produced the art featured across the series; and artwork includes scripts utilized. In the 1940s, the artist couldn't just dial-in whatever font they desired like you can on a word processor today; they had to make the font. It's extremely personal to the artist.

For example, if you look at all the pennants from Trench's stadium pennant series in the 1950s, you'll see the same unique script utilized for the ballpark name, e.g., "Sportsman's Park"; "Milwaukee County Stadium," etc. That script is essentially Trench's signature.

Your 1950 NL champs pennant features an entirely different script. It's definitely not by Trench's artist. It does appear similar to WGN's, as WGN's ca. 1950s ASG pennants featured a similar cursive script. Greg, compare WGN's 1950 ASG pennant featuring Comiskey Park and the AL/NL "book" roster. Similar cursive scripts, right? But compare the names "Roberts" and "Hammer" ... although similar, they appear different to me. Different "R" and different "H" as best I can tell from pictures....

Maybe you can confirm by giving us a side-by-side comparison, since I don't own either pennant?

Anyway, my suggestion: follow this unique script to a known pennant by maker, and you'll have solved the greatest pennant mystery of the 20th century.