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[jsfriedm]

I was actually surprised by the prices of a few key cards that seemed pretty weak to me, in particular the 1933 Goudey Ruths - especially the two PSA 7s, and the 1951 Bowman Mantle rookies (it seems like the price ratio of Mantle to Mays these days is now below 2:1).

[riggs336]

I picked up two non-sports sets for fair prices.
My big get was this M110 of Lajoie.

[fkm_bky]

Beautiful card! I absolutely love the artwork on the M110's!

Congrats!

Bill

Originally Posted by riggs336

I picked up two non-sports sets for fair prices.
My big get was this M110 of Lajoie.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

I was actually surprised by the prices of a few key cards that seemed pretty weak to me, in particular the 1933 Goudey Ruths - especially the two PSA 7s, and the 1951 Bowman Mantle rookies (it seems like the price ratio of Mantle to Mays these days is now below 2:1).

The Goudey Ruth 144 was really nice but the centering was off a little. One like it that was centered, a few Memory Lane auctions ago, went for twice that. And if this one was centered the same it too would have gotten to that amount or close to it. It's all about centering, everything else being equal....and on 7s they usually are.
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[mouschi]

I was merely a spectator this round, mainly trying to get some sort of comps on a few cards of mine, and I was pleased all the way around!

Here is what I was watching:

1909 T206 Cobb Green PSA 2 - $8,700
1910 E90-2 Wagner SGC 1.5 - $10,200
1915 CJ Cobb SGC 2 - $27,000
1915 CJ Jackson SGC 3 - $52,800 (I seem to get buy requests on this card weekly)

The biggest one that I was biting my nails on was the 1899 M101-1 BVG 2.5 Wagner rookie. It was low teens until later on in the last day, finally fetching $38,400. This is nearly triple what it did when it last sold in 2015, esp. when you take into account the tax paid on this vs. no tax paid back in 2015.

My M101-1 Wagner (though BVG "A") is the nicest looking copy of it I've seen, and ever since I picked it up a year or two ago, it has been that one piece that I always figured had the potential to be a chart topper of some sort. I think future sales will prove me right - it is definitely on the right path! Definitely one of those pieces when I show people, they 1) don't know what it is and 2) are shocked that such a beast exists!

While I would've been much happier with a 100k sale, I'm happy the bvg 2.5 came close to 40k. Such a cool, cool piece!

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by mouschi

The biggest one that I was biting my nails on was the 1899 M101-1 BVG 2.5 Wagner rookie. It was low teens until later on in the last day, finally fetching $38,400. This is nearly triple what it did when it last sold in 2015, esp. when you take into account the tax paid on this vs. no tax paid back in 2015.

My M101-1 Wagner (though BVG "A") is the nicest copy of it I've seen, and ever since I picked it up a year or two ago, it has been that one piece that I always figured had the potential to be a chart topper of some sort. I think future sales will prove me right - it is definitely on the right path! Definitely one of those pieces when I show people, they 1) don't know what it is and 2) are shocked that such a beast exists!

While I would've been much happier with a 100k sale, I'm happy the bvg 2.5 came close to 40k. Such a cool, cool piece!

Great pickups everyone. Seems like the really great stuff is as strong as ever.

I really like the M101-1 Sorting News Supplements. Not too many of each player out there. I would love to have a Young.

Your Beckett Authentic example is a great looking card, but it is kind of hard to declare it the “best” when it has been restored. I thought that one one in REA was a really nice example and is the only unaltered example that I have seen offered.

[mouschi]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

Great pickups everyone. Seems like the really great stuff is as strong as ever.

I really like the M101-1 Sorting Life Supplements. Not too many of each player out there. I would love to have a Young.

Your Beckett Authentic example is a great looking card, but it is kind of hard to declare it the “best” when it has been restored. I thought that one one in REA was a really nice example and is the only unaltered example that I am aware of.

Thanks! I should clarify that I would never crown mine as the best ... but I would say it might be the nicest looking one I've seen. I don't go after altered stuff much, but when it comes to supplements like this, I'm fine with them.

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by mouschi

Thanks! I should clarify that I would never crown mine as the best ... but I would say it might be the nicest looking one I've seen. I don't go after altered stuff much, but when it comes to supplements like this, I'm fine with them.

I agree. There is definitely a place for restored cards and memorabilia and your M101-1 Sporting News Wagner is a perfect example of what a skilled restorer can do. Yours looks fantastic.

[t206kid]

Prices were definitely stout. Seems like a lot of the goofy stuff that went nuts has come back down to earth, and the truly cool stuff is still doing great.

I got the Cy Broad Leaf 460 and T206 Honus ad.

[mouschi]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

I agree. There is definitely a place for restored cards and memorabilia and your M101-1 Sporting News Wagner is a perfect example of what a skilled restorer can do. Yours looks fantastic.

I appreciate it! I edited my post so it was more clear I wasn't trying to say mine was the best. That just sounds icky! 😄

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

Great pickups everyone. Seems like the really great stuff is as strong as ever.

I really like the M101-1 Sorting News Supplements. Not too many of each player out there. I would love to have a Young.

Your Beckett Authentic example is a great looking card, but it is kind of hard to declare it the “best” when it has been restored. I thought that one one in REA was a really nice example and is the only unaltered example that I am aware of.

I agree wholeheartedly on both the National Copper Plates (actually predate the Sporting News and the real rookie) and the M101’s, these are simply gorgeous cards when seen in person in nice condition. I have each of the Wagners in my sets of these, the Copper is bound in the original booklet in near perfect condition. The Sporting News is also in strong condition but has some minor wear on close inspection. Both are entirely unaltered.

I am sure it exists, but I have not seen another national copper plate wagner at all in my 33 years of collecting.

They are my favorite sets in my collection.

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I agree wholeheartedly on both the National Copper Plates (actually predate the Sporting News and the real rookie) and the M101’s, these are simply gorgeous cards when seen in person in nice condition. I have each of the Wagners in my sets of these, the Copper is bound in the original booklet in near perfect condition. The Sporting News is also in strong condition but has some minor wear on close inspection. Both are entirely unaltered.

I am sure it exists, but I have not seen another national copper plate wagner at all in my 33 years of collecting.

They are my favorite sets in my collection.

Those are beautiful. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that the National Copper Plate Wagner predates the M101-1 Sporting News? Both were issued in 1899, correct?

I know that the National Copper Plate cards were issued 1898 and 1899 and the M101-1 Sporting News cards were issued weekly during the 1899 and 1900 seasons, but it seems as though both Wagners were issued in 1899. The M101-1 actually has the exact date of August 19, 1899 printed on it while the National Copper Plate has just 1899 noted.

There has been a National Copper Plate Wagner for what seems like years. I wish that it fit in my collecting budget.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13216270408...QAAOSwIWVY9VvV

REA also had a real nice bound near set several years ago that had a really nice Wagner in it.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

Those are beautiful. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that the National Copper Plate Wagner predates the M101-1 Sporting News? Both were issued in 1899, correct?

I know that the National Copper Plate cards were issued 1898 and 1899 and the M101-1 Sporting News cards were issued weekly during the 1899 and 1900 seasons, but it seems as though both Wagners were issued in 1899. The M101-1 actually has the exact date of August 19, 1899 printed on it while the National Copper Plate has just 1899 noted.

There has been a National Copper Plate Wagner for what seems like years. I wish that it fit in my collecting budget.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13216270408...QAAOSwIWVY9VvV

REA also had a real nice bound near set several years ago that had a really nice Wagner in it.

I acquired the Wagner in that REA lot. I say it predates it because of the player selection difference in the two sets, with Anson and Hoy and others in the copper Plate and then not in the Sporting News, so I am assuming earlier players vs later players despite them being around the same time. I think you can look up the full set lists elsewhere but i could make a more thorough comparison. I think the standard catalogue shows the national copper plate as earlier. Could do more work on that!

[canjond]

Originally Posted by mouschi

I was merely a spectator this round, mainly trying to get some sort of comps on a few cards of mine, and I was pleased all the way around!

Here is what I was watching:

1909 T206 Cobb Green PSA 2 - $8,700
1910 E90-2 Wagner SGC 1.5 - $10,200
1915 CJ Cobb SGC 2 - $27,000
1915 CJ Jackson SGC 3 - $52,800 (I seem to get buy requests on this card weekly)

The biggest one that I was biting my nails on was the 1899 M101-1 BVG 2.5 Wagner rookie. It was low teens until later on in the last day, finally fetching $38,400. This is nearly triple what it did when it last sold in 2015, esp. when you take into account the tax paid on this vs. no tax paid back in 2015.

My M101-1 Wagner (though BVG "A") is the nicest looking copy of it I've seen, and ever since I picked it up a year or two ago, it has been that one piece that I always figured had the potential to be a chart topper of some sort. I think future sales will prove me right - it is definitely on the right path! Definitely one of those pieces when I show people, they 1) don't know what it is and 2) are shocked that such a beast exists!

While I would've been much happier with a 100k sale, I'm happy the bvg 2.5 came close to 40k. Such a cool, cool piece!

I was the underbidder on the '15 Cobb CJ. I can say (from my own perspective) that I was bidding about $7k over what I thought the value for a '15 CJ Cobb "2" was based on the eye appeal of that Cobb. I think the same can be said for that Jackson - it was a stunner for the technical grade.

I also can't agree more with you about the CJ Jacksons. I average about 5 "would you sell it" requests per month, although most of the unsolicited offers I get on mine are circa 2015 prices. Go figure!

[babraham]

Originally Posted by canjond

I also can't agree more with you about the CJ Jacksons. I average about 5 "would you sell it" requests per month, although most of the unsolicited offers I get on mine are circa 2015 prices. Go figure!

I had been looking for a CJ Jackson for so long. Finally was able to snag one in the Heritage auction. Figured I needed to buy now if they keep going up in price and I get priced out.

[puckpaul]

I was astounded at the CJ15 price in this auction. It was centered but has some big creases it seemed. Impressive. Hard to tell online all of the details on the cards.

I see fewer CJ Jacksons for sale lately, helping prices when they do come up. Great card.

[leftygrove10]

I won this lot. Pretty excited.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I was astounded at the CJ15 price in this auction. It was centered but has some big creases it seemed. Impressive. Hard to tell online all of the details on the cards.

I see fewer CJ Jacksons for sale lately, helping prices when they do come up. Great card.

Agreed. Usually these prices are reserved for the 1914 CJ but with the demand high, the 1914 prices going higher, and low stock it has more people looking at the 1915’s. Plus this one has nice eye appeal

[mouschi]

Originally Posted by canjond

I was the underbidder on the '15 Cobb CJ. I can say (from my own perspective) that I was bidding about $7k over what I thought the value for a '15 CJ Cobb "2" was based on the eye appeal of that Cobb. I think the same can be said for that Jackson - it was a stunner for the technical grade.

I also can't agree more with you about the CJ Jacksons. I average about 5 "would you sell it" requests per month, although most of the unsolicited offers I get on mine are circa 2015 prices. Go figure!

The Cobb really was a stunner! I'm with you on the Jackson offers, haha. Most are "Would you sell?" I say "Not for sale, but make an offer". The next question "What would you value it at?"

[jsfriedm]

Originally Posted by Leon

The Goudey Ruth 144 was really nice but the centering was off a little. One like it that was centered, a few Memory Lane auctions ago, went for twice that. And if this one was centered the same it too would have gotten to that amount or close to it. It's all about centering, everything else being equal....and on 7s they usually are.
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I didn't compare the centering between this one and the Memory Lane one closely, but then again, I'm not (yet, I hope) in the market for six-figure cards. I tend not to worry about centering as much on 1933 Goudeys (unlike T205s, where it matters immensely to me), but maybe I would if I were buying 7s.

[shammus]

Won an example of one of my favorite cards of all time...an e103 Tenny, along with a couple other e103s. This one might be handcut too! But given the premiums that are placed on Tenny nowadays, I thought this lot went fairly low.

Brian

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[LincolnVT]

Nice group! Tenny and Wood are tough.

Originally Posted by shammus

Won an example of one of my favorite cards of all time...an e103 Tenny, along with a couple other e103s. This one might be handcut too! But given the premiums that are placed on Tenny nowadays, I thought this lot went fairly low.

Brian

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[BobC]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

I was actually surprised by the prices of a few key cards that seemed pretty weak to me, in particular the 1933 Goudey Ruths - especially the two PSA 7s, and the 1951 Bowman Mantle rookies (it seems like the price ratio of Mantle to Mays these days is now below 2:1).

Could that be because it seems every decent auction anymore has '33 Goudey Ruths, '52 Topps Mantles, '51 Bowman Mays and Mantle, and similar main cards in it, and that those that want them (and can afford the current inflated prices) already have them? If so, maybe the dealers and flippers have started to reach somewhat of a ceiling on those. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happening where there seems to be no limit to the numbers of "big" cards like these that always seem to be available for sale.

Meanwhile, maybe the focus, and higher prices, is starting to shift to the rarer, harder to find items of these players. Maybe not so much for Mantle and Mays, but definitely seems it could be the for Ruth cards. Especially since the Goudeys were so late in his career. There are tons of earlier Ruth cards for investors/flippers to look to.

[investinrookies]

Originally Posted by BobC

Could that be because it seems every decent auction anymore has '33 Goudey Ruths, '52 Topps Mantles, '51 Bowman Mays and Mantle, and similar main cards in it, and that those that want them (and can afford the current inflated prices) already have them? If so, maybe the dealers and flippers have started to reach somewhat of a ceiling on those. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happening where there seems to be no limit to the numbers of "big" cards like these that always seem to be available for sale.

Meanwhile, maybe the focus, and higher prices, is starting to shift to the rarer, harder to find items of these players. Maybe not so much for Mantle and Mays, but definitely seems it could be the for Ruth cards. Especially since the Goudeys were so late in his career. There are tons of earlier Ruth cards for investors/flippers to look to.

I have thought the same thing regrading some of the more main steam bigger cards. I personally am one that switched my focus to the more earlier/rare cards of Ruth/Cobb. To me these are a no brainer in this market and seem grossly undervalued.


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[hcv123]

Originally Posted by investinrookies

I have thought the same thing regrading some of the more main steam bigger cards. I personally am one that switched my focus to the more earlier/rare cards of Ruth/Cobb. To me these are a no brainer in this market and seem grossly undervalued.


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The Goudeys are THE most sought after (read - highest demand) Ruth cards and will likely remain so - heck, I would call the #144 the "poster card" of prewar gum cards. There are only ~2,000 graded (PSA and SGC combined) examples of the #144 (+ I would guess considerably less than that # raw) , which while intially may sound like a big number - pales in comparison to the demand the card has. The 3 other Goudey's have lower populations. That said, I do agree that some of his earlier issues have considerably lower populations (and at least for now considerably lower demand). To me the head scratcher is Ruth's Exhibit cards (The '21 topping the list) and Exhibit cards in general - The 25 Gehrig Exhibit gets a "demand pass" and somehow shatters the Exhibit card price mold while all the rest of the Exhibit cards are ignored? Why?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The Goudeys are THE most sought after (read - highest demand) Ruth cards and will likely remain so - heck, I would call the #144 the "poster card" of prewar gum cards. There are only ~2,000 graded (PSA and SGC combined) examples of the #144 (+ I would guess considerably less than that # raw) , which while intially may sound like a big number - pales in comparison to the demand the card has. The 3 other Goudey's have lower populations. That said, I do agree that some of his earlier issues have considerably lower populations (and at least for now considerably lower demand). To me the head scratcher is Ruth's Exhibit cards (The '21 topping the list) and Exhibit cards in general - The 25 Gehrig Exhibit gets a "demand pass" and somehow shatters the Exhibit card price mold while all the rest of the Exhibit cards are ignored? Why?

Howard,

Don't disagree with you at all, but have always wondered how much of that demand was due to the old Beckett guides listing Ruth's Goudey cards as his rookie cards. For chrissakes, it was Ruth's 19th season before he finally has a rookie card?!?!?! And yes, I know their definition of a rookie card was for one included in a nationally issued set. But that entire premise was based more on Topps and Bowman card issues, which was more of the sweet spot for the collectors who had grown up in the '40s, '50s, and '60s that Beckett was primarily marketing to back in the day. Heck, nationally issued, MLB wasn't even played West of St. Louis back in the '30s so it wasn't totally national either.

And personally for me, I have always liked to collect things that maybe not everyone else is into. That's exactly why I don't really collect T206 and the '33 and '34 Goudey sets. Everyone else is into those sets, so instead, I looked at collecting T205, S74, Diamond Stars, Batter-Up, and other oddball sets and the like. But that's me. I still think that "rookie card" designation for Ruth's Goudey cards is behind a good bit of that deemed value and demand they hold in the hobby. To me, this would be like saying Mantle's '69 Topps cards are his true rookie cards, and therefore, they're way more valuable than most all of his earlier issued items, save his true rookie cards from his earliest years in the league.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by investinrookies

I have thought the same thing regrading some of the more main steam bigger cards. I personally am one that switched to the more earlier/rare cards of Ruth. To me these are a no brainer in this market and seem grossly undervalued.


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I'm the same way. I would love to pick up many cards, but am not going to pay the prices a lot of them are now going for. I will either wait till prices come back down to what I think they're worth and am willing to pay for certain cards, or not ever buy them if they don't come back down. Either way, that's fine with me. I am happy collecting on the lower end of the condition scale, and prefer raw cards, if possible. Actually feel more comfortable with the lower condition items as they would seem to be less likely to have been altered/doctored as well. I can do without overpaying for certain cards. There always seems to be other areas/items to collect from, and occasionally they can end up being a lot more interesting, at least to me.

Great examples, REA had a Ruth Feen-A-Mint mask that went for a not ridiculous amount in last night's auction. Certainly not a main stream card, but definitely a fairly rare Ruth item. And no, I did not win it last night as I was only watching it and hadn't put a bid in before extended bidding started. Kind of wished I had though, but was focused on some other items in REA. At least until until extended bidding started and I got blown out of water on pretty much everything I was interested in. LOL