T206 Price Opinions.....Elite 12 Question...

rand1com · #1 12-05-2021, 06:22 AM

I would say a little high based on VCP.

A Lundgren fell through the cracks on a PWCC auction on Ebay back in March of this year and traded hands at $175 in a PSA 2. However, Heritage sold a PSA 2 in 2020 for $1500. Obviously, the value lies in between.

A Chesbro in a PSA 4 sold for $1250 in 2020 in a Heritage auction.

Obviously, they don't trade hands all that often so there is no true established value so if you really wanted them, you did OK.

Natedog · #2 12-05-2021, 07:53 AM

The Lundgren that sold on PWCC back in March was the KC version, not Chicago, hence the big price difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rand1com

I would say a little high based on VCP.

A Lundgren fell through the cracks on a PWCC auction on Ebay back in March of this year and traded hands at $175 in a PSA 2. However, Heritage sold a PSA 2 in 2020 for $1500. Obviously, the value lies in between.

A Chesbro in a PSA 4 sold for $1250 in 2020 in a Heritage auction.

Obviously, they don't trade hands all that often so there is no true established value so if you really wanted them, you did OK.

rand1com · #3 12-05-2021, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Natedog

The Lundgren that sold on PWCC back in March was the KC version, not Chicago, hence the big price difference.

Well, according to the picture posted on VCP for that auction, it was the Chicago version. I just looked at it again since I thought I had looked at the KC version based on your post.

Perhaps, VCP made a mistake but based on their info the card was the Chicago version.

Natedog · #4 12-05-2021, 11:38 AM

I think I see the problem after looking on the PWCC website. They incorrectly listed it as the Chicago version, but the pic they posted of the card is the KC version. I think the $1500 on Heritage is more like market value for a 2 with that tough front/back combo.

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Originally Posted by rand1com

Well, according to the picture posted on VCP for that auction, it was the Chicago version. I just looked at it again since I thought I had looked at the KC version based on your post.

Perhaps, VCP made a mistake but based on their info the card was the Chicago version.

rand1com · #5 12-05-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Natedog

I think I see the problem after looking on the PWCC website. They incorrectly listed it as the Chicago version, but the pic they posted of the card is the KC version. I think the $1500 on Heritage is more like market value for a 2 with that tough front/back combo.

Again, the picture VCP posted that linked to the PWCC auction is clearly the Chicago version. You can see the actual card on their site. Not sure how they could link the wrong card.

Luke · #6 12-05-2021, 12:40 PM

Prices seem fine to me. I considered Chesbro but didn't pull trigger because I have one and didn't think it was a bargain. Just about right. Not as sure about Lundgren, but I would guess you did just fine. TOugher backed Cubs are on fire lately and that one has a ton of demand.

Natedog · #7 12-05-2021, 12:49 PM

I don't use VCP, so maybe we're talking about two different cards? This was the card I was looking at:

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2648068

and

https://www.psacard.com/cert/27252631

It's the only Lundgren "Chicago" that sold in a PWCC auction in March of this year for $175. It's obviously not the Chicago variation, but PWCC listed the card as such, and PSA also incorrectly labeled the card as the Chicago variation.

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Originally Posted by rand1com

Again, the picture VCP posted that linked to the PWCC auction is clearly the Chicago version. You can see the actual card on their site. Not sure how they could link the wrong card.

Exhibitman · #8 12-05-2021, 01:21 PM

Where I run into difficulties is trying to figure a fair value for some of the more obscure back variations, like SC 460/42 overprint or SC 150/649 overprint. T206 Museum suggests 1.3 and 1.4 multipliers, respectively, but there isn't a lot of recent data that I can readily find to see whether these are too large, too small or just right. There are just enough cards in holders that do not list these variations to make the PSA price database unreliable.

rand1com · #9 12-05-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Natedog

I don't use VCP, so maybe we're talking about two different cards? This was the card I was looking at:

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2648068

and

https://www.psacard.com/cert/27252631

It's the only Lundgren "Chicago" that sold in a PWCC auction in March of this year for $175. It's obviously not the Chicago variation, but PWCC listed the card as such, and PSA also incorrectly labeled the card as the Chicago variation.

You are correct. How silly of me to only look at the PSA flip which showed the Chicago notation and expect it to be correct. The card was indeed the Kansas City version when I actually looked at the card in the slab so your original conclusion was obviously correct.

Leon · #10 12-05-2021, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rand1com

I would say a little high based on VCP.

A Lundgren fell through the cracks on a PWCC auction on Ebay back in March of this year and traded hands at $175 in a PSA 2. However, Heritage sold a PSA 2 in 2020 for $1500. Obviously, the value lies in between.

A Chesbro in a PSA 4 sold for $1250 in 2020 in a Heritage auction.

Obviously, they don't trade hands all that often so there is no true established value so if you really wanted them, you did OK.

Do aesthetics play into the pricing? I will pay double a vcp average for some cards (and have). That Chesbro above is really nice and has big borders. I would pay a premium for it . Personally, I am not too interested in avg vcp cards for my T206 HOF project...
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Oscar_Stanage · #11 12-05-2021, 10:40 AM

I am not sure there is such a thing as 'overpay' in such an illiquid market. if you are talking Red Cobbs, sure I can give my view, but a lot of other cards are +/- 20% at any auction. i had just posted 2 white hat mattys in the last heritage auction . 2 indistinguishable SGC 3s, one sold for 1650 and other 2400.

3-2-count · #12 12-05-2021, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Do aesthetics play into the pricing? I will pay double a vcp average for some cards (and have). That Chesbro above is really nice and has big borders. I would pay a premium for it . Personally, I am not too interested in avg vcp cards for my T206 HOF project...
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I�ll second this! Agreed!

rand1com · #13 12-05-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Do aesthetics play into the pricing? I will pay double a vcp average for some cards (and have). That Chesbro above is really nice and has big borders. I would pay a premium for it . Personally, I am not too interested in avg vcp cards for my T206 HOF project...
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Certainly, the "Looks" of the card make a lot of difference to some collectors. Hence, buy what you like and pay for it with no regrets.

VCP provides only a glimpse of graded card prices but is certainly an invaluable tool to most collectors when trying to determine an approximate value of a specific card.

As others have said, on cards with tough variations pricing is fluid.

I once saw a card sell for $29 on Ebay and the exact card sold for $1500 in a Heritage auction. It was the only Old Mill back graded by SGC at the time but it was a common card so no one was submitting it for grading. Obviously, it fell through the cracks on Ebay but not through Heritage.

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