PWCC - Sorry, Yet Again

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Maybe I did misinterpret it, absolutely possible. But it literally says "the item will be forfeited to pwcc". No one else reads that as pwcc actually taking ownership of the card?

You have to read it in light of the last sentence. It's poorly worded to be sure.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You have to read it in light of the last sentence. It's poorly worded to be sure.

I felt the last sentence referred to unpaid items, not items that did not receive a bid. I felt the unsold item (not receiving a bid) policy was addressed earlier. Again, not totally sure, but I'm stuck in that interpretation at the moment.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

I felt the last sentence referred to unpaid items, not items that did not receive a bid. I felt the unsold item (not receiving a bid) policy was addressed earlier. Again, not totally sure, but I'm stuck in that interpretation at the moment.

They can't just keep your cards.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They can't just keep your cards.

Official response…they do own your card if it doesn’t get a bid.



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[chadeast]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Official response…they do own your card if it doesn’t get a bid.



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This cannot be right. One cant just modify Terms of service and keep someone’s property that was entrusted to them. If true, this policy will never survive a legal challenge.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by chadeast

This cannot be right. One cant just modify Terms of service and keep someone’s property that was entrusted to them. If true, this policy will never survive a legal challenge.

Why wouldn't it? The person is agreeing to the terms before consigning the cards.

We are talking cards that don't get a $10 min bid. The fees and shipping would be more than the card it worth and seems like a very reasonable outcome for everyone.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Why wouldn't it? The person is agreeing to the terms before consigning the cards.

We are talking cards that don't get a $10 min bid. The fees and shipping would be more than the card it worth and seems like a very reasonable outcome for everyone.

I assumed that this was a new change. If the policy was already in place when cards were consigned, then my mistake.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Official response…they do own your card if it doesn’t get a bid.



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WTF. Then again it's Brent.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They can't just keep your cards.

They can if you agree to it and sign! I do know of consignment furniture and clothing shops that take possession if things don't sell. The suspicious person might posit that they intentionally price things too high so that they don't sell until they have taken ownership of the items. Now in the case of $10 items in a PWCC auction obviously that's not the case, but still people are consistently surprised by the contracts they sign.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

They can if you agree to it and sign! I do know of consignment furniture and clothing shops that take possession if things don't sell. The suspicious person might posit that they intentionally price things too high so that they don't sell until they have taken ownership of the items. Now in the case of $10 items in a PWCC auction obviously that's not the case, but still people are consistently surprised by the contracts they sign.

It's still a shitty and unnecessary thing to do IMO. Bad look.

[notfast]

If you’re using pwcc vault for cards that aren’t even worth $10, I think you need to reevaluate a lot of things.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by notfast

If you’re using pwcc vault for cards that aren’t even worth $10, I think you need to reevaluate a lot of things.

Here are a number of prewar cards that went for $10 or $11. They came oh so close to being forfeited. They're not premier cards by any means, but this would make me pause if I was considering consigning with PWCC, which I am not.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971194
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971209
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971224
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971237
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971244
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971248
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971256
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971345
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971376
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971395
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971399
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971401
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2971406

[BobC]

Originally Posted by notfast

If you’re using pwcc vault for cards that aren’t even worth $10, I think you need to reevaluate a lot of things.

What if someone won an entire lot of multiple cards, where some of the individual cards may not be worth $10 each, but the entire lot itself was worth over $1,000? Do you think PWCC would turn away and not take the cards that are not worth at least $10 that were included in that lot? Or what if the buyer of that lot won it off Ebay, and then had the vault as their default shipping address so they didn't have to pay sales tax, would they want to risk having to pay sales tax on the entire lot by having it sent to their home address instead, and then only forward the cards worth over $10 to the vault? Not to mention the additional shipping/mailing fees that may also be incurred.

I think you need to think about how there isn't always just one scenario or set of circumstances by which to judge everyone or their actions!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's still a shitty and unnecessary thing to do IMO. Bad look.

I don't disagree with you at all.