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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Was there some kind of extraordinary provenance on the Jackson auto? I basically wouldn't trust anyone to authenticate one since what exactly serves as their exemplar file?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Was there some kind of extraordinary provenance on the Jackson auto? I basically wouldn't trust anyone to authenticate one since what exactly serves as their exemplar file?

Hi

I am not sure of all the Provence but this is the same one that sold on Heritage I believe in 2015 or 16 from the The Frank W. Smith Collection,

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Hi

I am not sure of all the Provence but this is the same one that sold on Heritage I believe in 2015 or 16 from the The Frank W. Smith Collection,

Cool, and I wasn't suggesting anything was going on, just that I don't know how you can authenticate an autograph when there's less than a handful that are even suspected of being legit. Clearly he never signed his name enough to develop ANY consistencies let alone enough to make solid comparisons. Hence my curiosity about the provenance.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Cool, and I wasn't suggesting anything was going on, just that I don't know how you can authenticate an autograph when there's less than a handful that are even suspected of being legit. Clearly he never signed his name enough to develop ANY consistencies let alone enough to make solid comparisons. Hence my curiosity about the provenance.

I hope it’s real, bc if it is, it’s awesome. However, I know several people who are dubious about the authenticity of the auto; the feedback being the writing does not seem shaky enough for Joe Jackson’s signature. I was also told to question all Jackson signatures unless it was on a check of official document where it’s much harder to fake. The PSA authentication means little in my book.

Compare the one at Christie’s with the signatures on the two documents in these two articles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spo...01nrodg07iw6eo

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ed-to-auction/

[the-illini]

I agree with you Ryan - I have trouble seeing how Jackson could have signed the photo that cleanly. I always heard he basically had to draw his signature on the rare occasions when he would sign.

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I hope it’s real, bc if it is, it’s awesome. However, I know several people who are dubious about the authenticity of the auto; the feedback being the writing does not seem shaky enough for Joe Jackson’s signature. I was also told to question all Jackson signatures unless it was on a check of official document where it’s much harder to fake. The PSA authentication means little in my book.

Compare the one at Christie’s with the signatures on the two documents in these two articles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spo...01nrodg07iw6eo

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ed-to-auction/

[oldjudge]

Looks like a cheaper than expected price on the signed Gehrig rookie.

[MVSNYC]

I'm not an expert, but the Jackson signature also struck me as a little odd. IMO, his other examples, known to be authentic (on legal documents/checks, etc) have much shaker, and less fluid signatures.

Close friend of mine won the W514 Jackson. Killer card. He was bidding in the room.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Looks like a cheaper than expected price on the signed Gehrig rookie.

Jay - that’s because it is not a 1925 rookie card & major hobbyists know that. It’s a 1926 second year BLUE TINT Gehrig exhibit inadvertently slabbed as a 1925 gray tint rookie. Virtually every high-end collector I know that would have bid strong backed off knowing it’s a true 1926 exhibit.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Was there some kind of extraordinary provenance on the Jackson auto? I basically wouldn't trust anyone to authenticate one since what exactly serves as their exemplar file?

It's also Christies, which I wouldn't blame people for having a difficult time trusting. Between their price fixing scandal, and their most recent lack of due-diligence when it came to provenance of Ancient Roman/Greek artifacts, I would be slightly skeptical at a minimum. Though comparing ancient artifacts, to a signature from Joe Jackson, would be like comparing Apples, to Oranges.

However as it was pointed out it already sold at auction once before.