Who are the 12 (and 22) best players in the T206 set?

[darwinbulldog]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Cy Young
3. Ty Cobb
4. Tris Speaker
5. Honus Wagner
6. Eddie Collins
7. Christy Mathewson
8. Nap Lajoie
9. Eddie Plank
10. George Davis
11. Ed Walsh
12. Home Run Baker
13. Rube Waddell
14. Willie Keeler
15. Addie Joss
16. Sam Crawford
17. Mordecai Brown
18. Joe Tinker
19. Bill Dahlen
20. Sherry Magee
21. Fred Clarke
22. Zack Wheat

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

1. Walter Johnson
2. Cy Young
3. Ty Cobb
4. Tris Speaker
5. Honus Wagner
6. Eddie Collins
7. Christy Mathewson
8. Nap Lajoie
9. Eddie Plank
10. George Davis
11. Ed Walsh
12. Home Run Baker
13. Rube Waddell
14. Willie Keeler
15. Addie Joss
16. Sam Crawford
17. Mordecai Brown
18. Joe Tinker
19. Bill Dahlen
20. Sherry Magee
21. Fred Clarke
22. Zack Wheat

Pretty hard to counter-argue that line-up. I might try to move Joss up somehow, but how? Maybe Mathewson up, but that is hard to do also. I just remember that John Kieran quote, "Mathewson was the best pitcher I ever saw. He was the best anyone ever saw. Let them name all the others. I don't care. Mathewson was better."

[wolf441]

I would go with Mordecai Peter Centennial Brown and Rube Waddell as #'s 11 and 12, with Wee Willie as #13.

[drumback]

Fred Clarke should be in the top twenty. He was considered one of the top three or four players in the National League at Louisville and his early years at Pittsburgh. Easily in the 3,000 hit club if leg injuries had not derailed his career, and he still ended with nearly 2700 hits. Some of his contemporaries considered him the best outfielder in the league as well.