ebay finds that PWCC engaged in shill bidding?

[Republicaninmass]

Blowout determined that an extremely high amount of stickers were on cards originally bought from pwcc, altered and regraded, and auctioned with pwcc a second time around.


Cards that were "prime" for alterations were bid up so high any other buyers would be scared off. These same cards, were altered, then returned to pwcc, auctioned for a second time with a HE sticker.

This was methodically, repeatedly and systematically done.

I'd wager youd only need to prove this a handful of times during discovery in a court of law to....get a result


Arent you tired of trying yet? Brent couldn't pay me enough to stick up for him. I do have morals though

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Blowout determined that an extremely high amount of stickers were on cards originally bought from pwcc, altered and regraded, and auctioned with pwcc a second time around.


Cards that were "prime" for alterations were bid up so high any other buyers would be scared off. These same cards, were altered, then returned to pwcc, auctioned for a second time with a HE sticker.

This was methodically, repeatedly and systematically done.

I'd wager youd only need to prove this a handful of times during discovery in a court of law to....get a result


Arent you tired of trying yet? Brent couldn't pay me enough to stick up for him. I do have morals though

Ah yes, "Blowout has determined..." Well I guess that's a closed case then isn't it? Lol.

Again, I'll wait for actual detectives to bring charges before I cast judgement.

Glad to see that 'RepublicanInMass' has "morals" though.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Ah yes, "Blowout has determined..." Well I guess that's a closed case then isn't it? Lol.

Again, I'll wait for actual detectives to bring charges before I cast judgement.

Glad to see that 'RepublicanInMass' has "morals" though.

Although there are a lot of anonymous A holes on Blowout, the Boda team has done a very good job and a big service to our hobby. If anyone denies that they are ignorant or stupid, pick one.

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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Leon

Although there are a lot of anonymous A holes on Blowout, the Boda team has done a very good job and a big service to our hobby. If anyone denies that they are ignorant or stupid, pick one.

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Ot Troll, this is valid name!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Although there are a lot of anonymous A holes on Blowout, the Boda team has done a very good job and a big service to our hobby. If anyone denies that they are ignorant or stupid, pick one.

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To be clear, BODA has confirmed what many of us already knew, and has perhaps shown the scope was even greater than we thought, but the alterations and the involvement of certain people is far from new.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Fixed it for you.

Lol. Yes. They probably do that daily, I would imagine.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To be clear, BODA has confirmed what many of us already knew, and has perhaps shown the scope was even greater than we thought, but the alterations and the involvement of certain people is far from new.

I agree. They've definitely blown the lid on how widespread this issue is.

[Snapolit1]

I’ve bid 10 or more times in plenty of auctions and on ebay. Why? Could be anything from I was bored, to I didn’t want to pay $2 more than the guy below me, to I wanted to see if the top bidder set an aggressive high bid, to I had too much wine to drink and it was 2 am and it was pointless fun. Can’t always tell why anyone is doing anything.

I wise man said to me a long time ago forget about deciphering someone else’s motivations. You are almost always just guessing based on your preexisting biases.

[Republicaninmass]

Nobodys shilling buy it nows


Just saying

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Leon

Although there are a lot of anonymous A holes on Blowout, the Boda team has done a very good job and a big service to our hobby. If anyone denies that they are ignorant or stupid, pick one.

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Yes, I agree. They have uncovered an immense sea of altered cards and have proven that one way or another, these cards often make it into graded slabs. They've successfully informed us all that there are potential landmines in our playing field and to watch out. For that, I am grateful.

The issue I have are the conclusions drawn from there about who is guilty of what. So many of their accusations are built on false assumptions about the data they're looking at. Then they build on those invalid conclusions to make even more accusations. It's extremely irresponsible.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, I agree. They have uncovered an immense sea of altered cards and have proven that one way or another, these cards often make it into graded slabs. They've successfully informed us all that there are potential landmines in our playing field and to watch out. For that, I am grateful.

The issue I have are the conclusions drawn from there about who is guilty of what. So many of their accusations are built on false assumptions about the data they're looking at. Then they build on those invalid conclusions to make even more accusations. It's extremely irresponsible.

People see the patterns they want to see or have already decided is the case. Whether it's politics, sports, covid, collecting, or anything else. Tell me what the facts and and I will tell you how they support my pre-existing thesis. And if they don't I will tell you which facts are wrong or who must be lying. Under no circumstances will I vary from my position. Because I am infallible and never wrong.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

People see the patterns they want to see or have already decided is the case. Whether it's politics, sports, covid, collecting, or anything else. Tell me what the facts and and I will tell you how they support my pre-existing thesis. And if they don't I will tell you which facts are wrong or who must be lying. Under no circumstances will I vary from my position. Because I am infallible and never wrong.

You too? I thought I was the only one!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

People see the patterns they want to see or have already decided is the case. Whether it's politics, sports, covid, collecting, or anything else. Tell me what the facts and and I will tell you how they support my pre-existing thesis. And if they don't I will tell you which facts are wrong or who must be lying. Under no circumstances will I vary from my position. Because I am infallible and never wrong.

Confirmation bias is everywhere. And don't forget medicine.