Jack Morris Suspended

[todeen]

Originally Posted by packs

I think the lesson learned here is that cheap laughs are cheap for a reason. They're not funny and you could just not do that. While people might say "what's the big deal?" a better question would be "don't you realize you're not just talking to your buddies when you're on TV"?

Yeah. I'm a high school teacher. I routinely try to get my high school boys to understand audience. Jokes said to buddies at lunch is a much different audience than a classroom with kids, some of whom might not like you. And school is a different audience than parents/ grandparents. But a lot of my students want to be the same person to everyone they come in contact with. They tell me it's more honest. In my experience, a lot of arguments against PC stem from this idea about having to speak toward different audiences.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't think he was imitating Elmer Fudd.

[insidethewrapper]

Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings anymore. Now they often give participation ribbons to all entries so they don't feel bad if they were not in top three.

[NiceDocter]

I’m against cancel culture where one misstep or stupid statement is used to condemn someone’s entire life and career. All that said, if you turn up the audio and listen carefully Morris is not saying the Elmer Fudd “vewy vewy” but rather “velly velly” which is meant to mock Asians learning a new language. Folks it might have seemed funny 50 years ago but it really isn’t appropriate for today. I don’t think the guy meant any harm but he was wrong…. And at least gave a sort of apology. I thought Ohtani handled it in a very mature and honorable way. Morris like everyone else in this world should get some slack cut for this and hopefully learn and do better in the future. If he is a repeated offender then ….. as the umpire would say …YER OUT!

[packs]

Elmer Fudd sounds like Monday morning quarterbacking to me. He didn’t mention Elmer during his on air apology.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by packs

Elmer Fudd sounds like Monday morning quarterbacking to me. He didn’t mention Elmer during his on air apology.

He also didn't mention the accent at all. His on-air apology made it seem that he thought people were upset at the wording not the accent.

I really don't know. Yet when I hear it I don't hear an Asian impression, I hear an Elmer Fudd impression. Only one person knows the true intent at the time an that is Jack. I only can speak to what I heard vs what I see many others heard.

[packs]

Originally Posted by todeen

Yeah. I'm a high school teacher. I routinely try to get my high school boys to understand audience. Jokes said to buddies at lunch is a much different audience than a classroom with kids, some of whom might not like you. And school is a different audience than parents/ grandparents. But a lot of my students want to be the same person to everyone they come in contact with. They tell me it's more honest. In my experience, a lot of arguments against PC stem from this idea about having to speak toward different audiences.

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I hope you remind your students that they will one day join the work force and it won't matter how they feel about being honest. Every office comes with the same professional expectations and Jack Morris was a guy at work.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by todeen

Yeah. I'm a high school teacher. I routinely try to get my high school boys to understand audience. Jokes said to buddies at lunch is a much different audience than a classroom with kids, some of whom might not like you. And school is a different audience than parents/ grandparents. But a lot of my students want to be the same person to everyone they come in contact with. They tell me it's more honest. In my experience, a lot of arguments against PC stem from this idea about having to speak toward different audiences.

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You're completely right, audience matters, and always has. If they let women in the locker room, of course you're going to tone it down out of decency and respect. And so on. That's just common sense, not being PC.

[MooseDog]

I'm half Asian and yes, what Morris said, the way he said it is offensive. When I was younger I looked more Asian and white kids would pull their eyes back and talk in that same Charlie Chan accent to try and insult me or something. Honestly, I'm not entirely sure what they were trying to accomplish as I'm half "white" too.

Anyway, I'm personally cool with Morris' apology and him getting a couple of days off. Lesson learned.

At my job I had a prominent customer come in and talk about his race horse, who is standing at stud in Japan and he talked about the foals "...not coming out with buck teeth and slanted eyes...so I guess that's OK..."

[chaddurbin]

well i'm full asian, and what i'm learning from this thread is white people aren't offended by anything, and don't understand why the rest of the world can't brush aside the casual racism inflicted upon them every day.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

well i'm full asian, and what i'm learning from this thread is white people aren't offended by anything, and don't understand why the rest of the world can't brush aside the casual racism inflicted upon them every day.

I'm fully white, and I feel the same way you do. Causes a lot of "fun" discussions with the old men in my family.

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

well i'm full asian, and what i'm learning from this thread is white people aren't offended by anything, and don't understand why the rest of the world can't brush aside the casual racism inflicted upon them every day.

Yep. I think this has a strong element of truth to it.

What's the difference whether you're picked on for being short, fat, dumb, cheap, a lousy golfer, or asian? It's all the same when you get right down to it - at least to me. I grew up in a neighborhood and an era where everyone picked on everyone else for anything and everything. My parents taught me that it's just words coming out of some idiot. Who cares? Laugh it off and get on with your iife - which, seems to be what Ohtani actually did, and I applaud him for it.

[packs]

I think it is easy to see the differences between stereotyping an entire population of people and saying a guy is fat. Stereotypes play to untruths. There is no commonality between the two things you're talking about.

[Jim65]

They should at least be consistent, I remember announcers poking fun at Joey Lucchesi's name, no one said a damn word. Its selective outrage.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

well i'm full asian, and what i'm learning from this thread is white people aren't offended by anything, and don't understand why the rest of the world can't brush aside the casual racism inflicted upon them every day.

It not that they arent, its just that they cant be. Amirite?


How insightful . I'm glad this forum was a microcosm for your view of "white people", aka Caucasians.

You are actually in the MAJORITY of the world, with almost 5 billion Asians.
Tread carefully, when you make blanket statements about minorities.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

well i'm full asian, and what i'm learning from this thread is white people aren't offended by anything, and don't understand why the rest of the world can't brush aside the casual racism inflicted upon them every day.

This^^
It's easy to say something "isn't offensive" when you're the one who isn't being offended. The lack of empathy in this world is troubling.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by dgo71

This^^

It's easy to say something "isn't offensive" when you're the one who isn't being offended. The lack of empathy in this world is troubling.

It's not taught in current culture. And amid social media, and attack and boycott and harpoon, my high school kids see it as a soft skill that is outdated. Don't forget, nice guys finish last.

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[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by todeen

It's not taught in current culture. And amid social media, and attack and boycott and harpoon, my high school kids see it as a soft skill that is outdated. Don't forget, nice guys finish last.

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As a high school teacher I assume you know, developmentally, that high school kids generally lack empathy as adults do because their brains are not yet fully developed. Put a bunch of high school kids on a jury and they'll hang the guy every time. Most will get there though, so have faith.

Something "offensive" is just a way to say it hurts your feelings. We all have different levels of sensitivity, but it just seems like many people these days are screaming about something being offensive just because they think they're supposed to in order to be thought of as a good person, but not because they're actually offended. I think this is a trend we especially see in young people.

It just seems like what we see so often today is people being called out for every little possible thing that could possibly offend even one person - just because it's the trendy thing to do.

Jack Morris has been an ass since he was a player here in the 70's, but it's not up to me to decide if what he did was offensive. I'm not asian, and I don't own the Tigers. Ohtani laughed it off. Does Morris deserve to be fired? I wouldn't have hired him in the first place, but it's really none of my business, is it?