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[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I honestly have no idea who Charlie Chan is (I know I can look it up), but how do you hear that phrase and voice and not think Elmer Fudd, who is in a sport movie right now?

I know Elmer actually says "Be Very very quite..." (not careful), but I have heard it misquoted often in the Fudd voice. I could be wrong, but this seems to be a misunderstanding of pop culture references not racism.

Here's the 411 on Charlie Chan:

from wikipedia:

Charlie Chan is a fictional Honolulu police detective created by author Earl Derr Biggers for a series of mystery novels. Biggers loosely based Chan on Hawaiian detective Chang Apana.

The benevolent and heroic Chan was conceived as an alternative to Yellow Peril stereotypes and villains like Fu Manchu. Many stories feature Chan traveling the world beyond Hawaii as he investigates mysteries and solves crimes.

Chan first appeared in Biggers' novels and then was featured in a number of media.

Over four dozen films featuring Charlie Chan were made, beginning in 1926.

The character, featured only as a supporting character, was first portrayed by East Asian actors, and the films met with little success.

In 1931, for the first film centering on Chan, Charlie Chan Carries On, the Fox Film Corporation cast Swedish actor Warner Oland; the film became popular, and Fox went on to produce 15 more Chan films with Oland in the title role. After Oland's death, American actor Sidney Toler was cast as Chan; Toler made 22 Chan films, first for Fox and then for Monogram Studios. After Toler's death, six films were made, starring Roland Winters.

Readers and moviegoers of America greeted Chan warmly, seeing him as an attractive character who is portrayed as intelligent, heroic, benevolent, and honorable in contrast to the racist depictions of evil or conniving Asians which often dominated Hollywood and national media in the early 20th century.

However, in later decades critics increasingly took a more ambivalent view of the character, finding that despite his good qualities, Chan also reinforces condescending Asian stereotypes such as an alleged incapacity to speak idiomatic English and a tradition-bound and subservient nature. Many also now find it objectionable that the role was played on screen by Caucasian actors in yellowface. No Charlie Chan film has been produced since 1981.

The character has also been featured in several radio programs, two television shows, and comics.


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[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Here's the 411 on Charlie Chan:



from wikipedia:



Charlie Chan is a fictional Honolulu police detective created by author Earl Derr Biggers for a series of mystery novels. Biggers loosely based Chan on Hawaiian detective Chang Apana.



The benevolent and heroic Chan was conceived as an alternative to Yellow Peril stereotypes and villains like Fu Manchu. Many stories feature Chan traveling the world beyond Hawaii as he investigates mysteries and solves crimes.



Chan first appeared in Biggers' novels and then was featured in a number of media.



Over four dozen films featuring Charlie Chan were made, beginning in 1926.



The character, featured only as a supporting character, was first portrayed by East Asian actors, and the films met with little success.



In 1931, for the first film centering on Chan, Charlie Chan Carries On, the Fox Film Corporation cast Swedish actor Warner Oland; the film became popular, and Fox went on to produce 15 more Chan films with Oland in the title role. After Oland's death, American actor Sidney Toler was cast as Chan; Toler made 22 Chan films, first for Fox and then for Monogram Studios. After Toler's death, six films were made, starring Roland Winters.



Readers and moviegoers of America greeted Chan warmly, seeing him as an attractive character who is portrayed as intelligent, heroic, benevolent, and honorable in contrast to the racist depictions of evil or conniving Asians which often dominated Hollywood and national media in the early 20th century.



However, in later decades critics increasingly took a more ambivalent view of the character, finding that despite his good qualities, Chan also reinforces condescending Asian stereotypes such as an alleged incapacity to speak idiomatic English and a tradition-bound and subservient nature. Many also now find it objectionable that the role was played on screen by Caucasian actors in yellowface. No Charlie Chan film has been produced since 1981.



The character has also been featured in several radio programs, two television shows, and comics.





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Thanks I know how to use the internet. Haha.

My point was until the reference in this thread I hadn't heard of him. Yet Elmer Fudd, a character still in pop culture (including a current sports movie) would be a more likely imitation when saying "be vewy vewy careful" as that is similar to how he would say "be vewy vewy quiet".

[Snowman]

Completely ridiculous. Not funny at all. Dude should have been fired immediately IMO.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Thanks I know how to use the internet. Haha.

My point was until the reference in this thread I hadn't heard of him. Yet Elmer Fudd, a character still in pop culture (including a current sports movie) would be a more likely imitation when saying "be vewy vewy careful" as that is similar to how he would say "be vewy vewy quiet".

Forgive the educator in me. I had just returned from an Axe Throwing venue where I tried to explain who Ed Ames was.



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[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't consider myself particularly PC, but I think we should be encouraging the people making racial remarks to stop rather than blaming the targets for not being tough enough.

[packs]

I'm not an advocate for "cancel culture" but I'm really baffled by the response to these things. Why would anyone advocate for people to treat each other like this? Where does the "what's the big deal" attitude come from? And how can it possibly be a good thing to think that way? Why continue to excuse these behaviors if you can live in a world without them? What is lost?

[Cliff Bowman]

I recall packs gleefully making fun of a certain person on Net54 a couple of years ago for having ‘very small hands’. I found that deeply disturbing and I suffered deep emotional distress over it. I demand that packs retract that cruel and unnecessary slur and apologize for it and self suspend for a week.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I recall packs gleefully making fun of a certain person on Net54 a couple of years ago for having ‘very small hands’. I found that deeply disturbing and I suffered deep emotional distress over it. I demand that packs retract that cruel and unnecessary slur and apologize for it and self suspend for a week.

Probably edited it already