ebay finds that PWCC engaged in shill bidding?

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There is no scenario where the FBI came to ebay with "the evidence" they have against PWCC in an ongoing criminal investigation. The most they would have done was subpoena specific documents or transaction records. Ebay might try to infer from there whatever they want, but the FBI isn't showing them any evidence whatsoever.

Ebay could have made the decision to cut ties with PWCC for a multitude of reasons. The best we can do is speculate and use our critical thinking skills to try to narrow down which of those reasons are the most likely.

Just another thought, but if the FBI asked eBay questions, it could likely be understood where they are headed and thus eBay cut ties. A lot of questions agents ask they already know the answer to.


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[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by BCauley

Just another thought, but if the FBI asked eBay questions, it could likely be understood where they are headed and thus eBay cut ties. A lot of questions agents ask they already know the answer to.

I can fully understand eBay cutting ties. Where I struggle is in eBay "explaining" the reason is because of "shill bidding".

eBay could have:

• Cut ties with no announcement, which would be the typical path for most sellers they terminate

• Cut ties with an announcement that they are simply cutting ties

I struggle with them making an announcement as to why eBay cut ties with PWCC. This leads me to believe there is something more.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

I can fully understand eBay cutting ties. Where I struggle is in eBay "explaining" the reason is because of "shill bidding".

eBay could have:

• Cut ties with no announcement, which would be the typical path for most sellers they terminate

• Cut ties with an announcement that they are simply cutting ties

I struggle with them making an announcement as to why eBay cut ties with PWCC. This leads me to believe there is something more.

Yes. It says there is something significant going on. What exactly is that significant thing can be debated, with dueling theories posted here.

As mentioned, I don't believe their lawyers would have allowed them to mention shilling if they didn't have strong evidence/proof of it. One would think that even if they did have proof of shilling, they might not mention it when cutting ties. Though, perhaps as PWCC is such a huge player, eBay felt they couldn't cut them without giving any reason.

I'm no lawyer, but, unless they really just uncovered or proved it recently, I don't see how eBay outing the shilling would give them legal protection. For example, suddenly saying "We knew all along she had been smuggling in plutonium from Iran the last ten years" doesn't get you off the hook for not having reported that you knew she had been smuggling in plutonium from Iran the last ten years. However, again, I'm no lawyer and don't know what eBay knows or knew . . . Though it begs the question of if eBay has its own legal concerns.

It should also be noted that eBay apparently only gave the notice to winners of PWCC auctions, and it was not a public announcement. Of course, enough people passed it on, posted it and reported about it that it is now public. If it's true that they sent it to all past and current winners, that's no minor detail either.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by drcy

It should also be noted that eBay apparently only gave the notice to winners of PWCC auctions, and it was not a public announcement. Of course, enough people passed it on, posted it and reported about it that it is now public. If it's true that they sent it to all past and current winners, that's no minor detail either.

I've won items from PWCC in the past, but nothing in the past several months - and I did NOT receive the notice from eBay. So maybe it just went to very recent winners?

[DanP]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I've won items from PWCC in the past, but nothing in the past several months - and I did NOT receive the notice from eBay. So maybe it just went to very recent winners?

I won a PWCC auction on 8/16 and I’m guessing many in the past. I did not receive the PWCC email from eBay. I’m not sure how they selected who would receive the notification.

[Republicaninmass]

Seeing a few new ads for the vault. Trouble in paradise

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by DanP

I won a PWCC auction on 8/16 and I’m guessing many in the past. I did not receive the PWCC email from eBay. I’m not sure how they selected who would receive the notification.

Maybe it just went to the winners of auctions they've confirmed were impacted by shill bidding.

I can't believe some would actually still give PWCC the benefit of the doubt here. They were just canned by the largest online sports memorabilia marketplace in the world, at great cost to said marketplace no less. That's all the proof anyone should need. Like my doctor always says...When you see hoof prints, look for horses, not zebras.

[ullmandds]

And on perfect cue...in yesterdays mail an advertisement from PWCC promoting their premier auction. Coincidence? I don't think so?