ebay finds that PWCC engaged in shill bidding?

[53toppscollector]

lol REA isn't pussyfooting around. From an email I just received:

DONE WITH THE VAULT? CONSIGN NOW FOR SPECIAL RATES!

We're offering the lowest rates in our history for your Vault consignments! See below for details on this extremely limited-time offer!

For any new consignments originating from a Vault address and committed to REA by September 1, we're offering the following incredible rates:

[Snapolit1]

I think it's human nature to think "hey, those guys probably shill their own auctions and pass things off better than they really are . . . . and that's terrible . . . .but I'm pretty sure that's never been the case with anything I've bought. . . ."

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

lol REA isn't pussyfooting around. From an email I just received:

What about their long time consigners ??? What about us? Shouldn’t we get this rate too? Maybe they don’t want my consignments anymore.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

lol REA isn't pussyfooting around. From an email I just received:

That's freaking great LOL.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

That's freaking great LOL.

I'd have trouble sleeping tonight if I had a $100,000 card in a vault in Oregon. Just sayin.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I'd have trouble sleeping tonight if I had a $100,000 card in a vault in Oregon. Just sayin.

I've a ways to go before I'm that type of collector. But agreed.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

lol REA isn't pussyfooting around. From an email I just received:

Seems to me as though PWCC would have a very strong lawsuit on their hands if ebay in fact does not have proof of PWCC employees shill bidding in their own auctions. If the shill bidders are in fact just consignors or other random eBay accounts, then their accusations are textbook defamatory resulting in real damages to PWCC's bottom line. If this is the case, I expect we will see eBay having to pay PWCC a substantial sum of money in the inevitable lawsuit on the horizon.

However, on the other hand, if eBay can prove that PWCC employees or its ownership are in fact actively shill bidding on their auctions, then PWCC is likely in for some extreme turbulence ahead. Although if this were the case, I have to ask, why wouldn't they just state that in the email rather than using the cryptic "individuals associated with PWCC" engaged in shill bidding? It just doesn't make sense. To me this smells like eBay deliberately trying to tarnish the brand of their newest competitor.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Seems to me as though PWCC would have a very strong lawsuit on their hands if ebay in fact does not have proof of PWCC employees shill bidding in their own auctions. If the shill bidders are in fact just consignors or other random eBay accounts, then their accusations are textbook defamatory resulting in real damages to PWCC's bottom line. If this is the case, I expect we will see eBay having to pay PWCC a substantial sum of money in the inevitable lawsuit on the horizon.

However, on the other hand, if eBay can prove that PWCC employees or its ownership are in fact actively shill bidding on their auctions, then PWCC is likely in for some extreme turbulence ahead. Although if this were the case, I have to ask, why wouldn't they just state that in the email rather than using the cryptic "individuals associated with PWCC" engaged in shill bidding? It just doesn't make sense. To me this smells like eBay deliberately trying to tarnish the brand of their newest competitor.

Before PWCC decides to litigate they should remember that discovery is a bitch.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Before PWCC decides to litigate they should remember that discovery is a bitch.

So is having a losing hand, which I suspect they have.

They will also have difficulty proving damages, assuming they don't also have a breach of contract claim which I am guessing they don't. If they lose business from this point forward, far more likely attributable to not being on ebay than to an email message saying they shill bid.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Seems to me as though PWCC would have a very strong lawsuit on their hands if ebay in fact does not have proof of PWCC employees shill bidding in their own auctions. If the shill bidders are in fact just consignors or other random eBay accounts, then their accusations are textbook defamatory resulting in real damages to PWCC's bottom line. If this is the case, I expect we will see eBay having to pay PWCC a substantial sum of money in the inevitable lawsuit on the horizon.

However, on the other hand, if eBay can prove that PWCC employees or its ownership are in fact actively shill bidding on their auctions, then PWCC is likely in for some extreme turbulence ahead. Although if this were the case, I have to ask, why wouldn't they just state that in the email rather than using the cryptic "individuals associated with PWCC" engaged in shill bidding? It just doesn't make sense. To me this smells like eBay deliberately trying to tarnish the brand of their newest competitor.

I doubt PWCC sues. No way it wants all those records to become public. It will come up with some BS rationale for not suing, like it's time to move on.

On the flip side I'd be shocked if ebay sent that message without ample supporting evidence. This isn't some guy making a spontaneous remark, it's a company with a 50 billion dollar market cap.