ebay finds that PWCC engaged in shill bidding?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Jcosta19

Just to recap -
We have someone who claims to have spoken with ebay, and that they confirmed the email and even think that PWCC will be banned completely.

We also have multiple people who have spoken to ebay and claim the email is not legitimate.

We also have someone who spoke to PWCC who stated they are canceling upcoming auctions and separating from ebay.

Crystal clear.
Did I miss anything?

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Justin, I believe the first statement is incorrect. Reading through this thread, no one has said that they spoke with ebay, and ebay has confirmed the email.

For the second point, two people have spoken with ebay, and the ebay representative has responded that the email is fake.

For the third point, Zan said he spoke with PWCC, and PWCC said that they are separating from ebay.

[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by glchen

Justin, I believe the first statement is incorrect. Reading through this thread, no one has said that they spoke with ebay, and ebay has confirmed the email.

For the second point, two people have spoken with ebay, and the ebay representative has responded that the email is fake.

For the third point, Zan said he spoke with PWCC, and PWCC said that they are separating from ebay.

Read post #36 in regard to my 1st point. Although I guess they did not mention confirming the email, its certainly implied based on the conversation.

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[Eric72]

Originally Posted by glchen

...no one has said that they spoke with ebay, and ebay has confirmed the email...

Additionally, I don't recall seeing anyone confirm they received the message in their eBay account.

I've only seen reports of receiving the info via email.

If anyone has gotten the message [B]in their eBay account[B], please chime in.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Additionally, I don't recall seeing anyone confirm they received the message in their eBay account.

I've only seen reports of receiving the info via email.

If anyone has gotten the message [B]in their eBay account[B], please chime in.

I did receive the e-mail outside of ebay but not in my ebay inbox, that seems suspect to me too.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I did receive the e-mail outside of ebay but not in my ebay inbox, that seems suspect to me too.

Casey, who is the "sender" of the email???? Like the phyiscal email address it came from?

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Casey, who is the "sender" of the email???? Like the phyiscal email address it came from?

ebay(at)reply5.ebay.com

[Johnny630]

EBAY IS CYA themselves, that'ts it.

[insidethewrapper]

I think doing any business to avoid ebay fees can get you suspended. If they refer customers to their web site to avoid fees etc. This could be reason enough to be suspended. Maybe they have enough customers now to avoid ebay altogether.

[toppcat]

What's in the message header data? That should indicate where the message was sent from.

[mckinneyj]

Originally Posted by toppcat

What's in the message header data? That should indicate where the message was sent from.

True.

Most (all?) email client readers have a means for inspecting the SMTP email headers. For example, with Microsoft's Outlook mail reader if one opens the message and then chooses "Properties" from the "File" pulldown menu you'll have the opportunity to view the "Internet headers". If someone can do so, or similar using some other email client reader, and cut and paste those headers here someone can decipher the path the message took and where the origin was...

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by mckinneyj

True.

Most (all?) email client readers have a means for inspecting the SMTP email headers. For example, with Microsoft's Outlook mail reader if one opens the message and then chooses "Properties" from the "File" pulldown menu you'll have the opportunity to view the "Internet headers". If someone can do so, or similar using some other email client reader, and cut and paste those headers here someone can decipher the path the message took and where the origin was...

Deleted post since I'm not sure how those email headers work.

[esquiresports]

PWCC listings are being removed in chronological order - from newest to oldest listing. Anyone can run this check and see. Click on any new listing and it will show up as "no longer available." Refresh and the last 100 or so listings will disappear. This is definitely happening. Cannot speak to authenticity of underlying email.

https://www.ebay.com/str/pwccvault?m...&_sop=10&rt=nc

[mckinneyj]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Deleted post since I'm not sure how those email headers work.

SMTP mail grew up as a store-and-forward technology. A message can be handed from one system to another to another prior to reaching its destination. Back in the day the internet was much less reliable and so there needed to be a mechanism for delivering mail when a system was "down". A mail server may have other systems set up as proxies for it to receive mail should it be unavailable to accept it. Nowadays there can be numerous other reasons beyond system outages why one might want to push mail to some other system to be "stored" prior to it being forwarded on its way. Anyway, each system that handles a message signs it by leaving a record in the message's headers. So...

the headers originally posted include the following "interesting" received headers that show the path the message took from sender to mailbox:


Hop #1 - Received: from r145.reply5.ebay.com (r145.reply5.ebay.com [172.82.216.145])
Origin: Received: from [34.217.185.60] ([34.217.185.60:54049] helo=r140.reply5.ebay.com)

The system with address 34.217.185.60 belongs to Amazon's AWS cloud and has been assigned the name ec2-34-217-185-60.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com.

So it would seem that either ebay is using AWS and relaying through its own server or is horribly misconfigured and permitting others to use its system as an open email relay. I'll guess that ebay is actually using AWS and that this message really did originate with ebay on that AWS system. fwiw...

[LACardsGuy]

What is truly amazing to me (and please ignore if someone already pointed this out) is that a search for PWCC shows TONS of sellers using "PWCC-E" and the like in their titles. I can't believe they are getting away with that.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by LACardsGuy

What is truly amazing to me (and please ignore if someone already pointed this out) is that a search for PWCC shows TONS of sellers using "PWCC-E" and the like in their titles. I can't believe they are getting away with that.

If the slabs have the PWCC-E sticker on the back, then that's pretty standard practice. Same with the MBA gold stickers. People usually mention those in the title. If they don't have the sticker though, then ya, that's false advertising obviously.

[packs]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I think doing any business to avoid ebay fees can get you suspended. If they refer customers to their web site to avoid fees etc. This could be reason enough to be suspended. Maybe they have enough customers now to avoid ebay altogether.

Wouldn't you need the prices to be public enough that it raises the price of every subsequent auction though? That's the beauty of doing your business on a platform like eBay. Not saying people don't get their pricing lines from other sources (like major auction houses), but it's eBay that is the most common reference for commonly sold cards, right?

[Flintboy]

I wonder if this news made Probstien sit up in his chair?

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Additionally, I don't recall seeing anyone confirm they received the message in their eBay account.

I've only seen reports of receiving the info via email.

If anyone has gotten the message [B]in their eBay account[B], please chime in.

If it is a fake, then it is a pretty big coincidence that all of the pwcc_vault listings are being systematically removed as we speak. Over 2,500 in the last 20 minutes and still dropping steadily.