OT: Michael Jordan Mania

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Oh, I'm sure some people fake-sell Mantles and Cobbs and try to work the scam du jour with every type of card/player they can to the extent they can.

The Jordan Fleer card is just so right for the scam because the scammers can also make good money selling it across other, cheaper price ranges. In contrast, trying to do it with cards that cost 10k+ to buy in for say the PSA 1s is not as optimum.

This one Matt…..Price Highly Unlikely

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Bowman...-127632-2357-0

[MattyC]

Link doesn't work for me, but was that the 52B that went off on eBay a ways back for some super-anomalous number? If so, I remember that one well; many of us suspected it was an attempt to start a run up on that card at the time. Bet it's one and the same "sale." Certainly was long an undervalued card yet broke out a little too much and too suddenly in that sale, LOL. Seems there's an art to pulling the scam off just right and that one came on too strong

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Link doesn't work for me, but was that the 52B that went off on eBay a ways back for some super-anomalous number? If so, I remember that one well; many of us suspected it was an attempt to start a run up on that card at the time. Bet it's one and the same "sale." Certainly was long an undervalued card yet broke out a little too much and too suddenly in that sale, LOL. Seems there's an art to pulling the scam off just right and that one came on too strong

Yes it was the one that sold for $42,600 2/14/21 in PWCC

[packs]

The same thing has been happening with many key cards. Look at the prices for 1950 Bowman Jackie Robinsons. When scanning the 57 sales listed under Sold, 22 percent of them came from one seller.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

The same thing has been happening with many key cards. Look at the prices for 1950 Bowman Jackie Robinsons. When scanning the 57 sales listed under Sold, 22 percent of them came from one seller.

There are sellers whose prices on certain types of cards I just view with extreme skepticism. 2016 all over again, in some ways. At least then you could see the encrypted IDs and bidding history.

[packs]

If you take a look at the Sold listing for the 1953 Topps Satchel Paige, another card that has appreciated quickly and to new heights, you will see the same seller over and over again there as well.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by packs

If you take a look at the Sold listing for the 1953 Topps Satchel Paige, another card that has appreciated quickly and to new heights, you will see the same seller over and over again there as well.

you are correct and it means we all have to be more aware and more careful on how we purchase, some times from whom we purchase and for how much.

That is what makes this type of forum so important and valuable. To stay informed and get educated be each

Thanks to all

[Snowman]

All these conspiracy theories crack me up. I'm not saying market manipulations never happen, but reading this thread would give someone the impression that every new high is a fake sale. Surely, that's not the case.

The 840k Jordan RC was a real sale by a well known high end collector who posted proof of purchase on social media. He paid "more than it's worth" because he believed it to be one of the best, if not the best, 10s in existence. Sorta like a MBA Black or PWCC S. It's like BGS's black label super premium pricing. Some people care about that stuff. The market clearly does. So did this guy. It's not a fake sale.

There are 328 PSA 10s in existence, and probably half of those have early PSA flips and if cracked out today would get 9s. This is the 52 Mantle of basketball cards. They're not exactly super common. Not in high grade at least.