Hey, pennant guys

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

So who IS going to decide? You? Mark? I can, however, tell you who decided when slavery was legal. I can tell you who decided when Native Americans were being marched into oblivion. I can guess that a poll of Germans in 1946 would have shown overwhelming support for keeping the Swastika as the country's symbol. If things swing a little too far in the direction of trying to correct America's long and sordid history of oppression of minorities of all kinds, that seems a small price to pay in the ledger of atonement. I suspect, though, that many of the objectors have no interest in atonement of any kind, and probably little awareness that there is anything to atone for.

That's right. I will decide and every other person with a brain should too. Too many sheep in this country afraid to think on their own. But I think that will change soon. A lot of good people of all races are getting tired of the lunacy.

PS...The world decided slavery was legal. And slaves were acquired from black brokers in Africa. So what exactly are you implying? I leave that rhetorical, as Mark said, there's a place for this conversation but it's probably not here.

[ooo-ribay]

I think the “sheep” are the exact opposite of the SJWs....which, by the way, I had to google. The real sheep love their demeaning catch phrases.

Sorry, I had to say it.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I think the “sheep” are the exact opposite of the SJWs....which, by the way, I had to google. The real sheep love their demeaning catch phrases.

Sorry, I had to say it.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they're the exact opposite. I think they're afraid of the SJWs. Afraid to be called names or get cancelled for sharing an opposing view. So they just blend in to remain invisible from attack. They allow themselves to be bullied by them (a common tactic employed by the SJW among others) and they just go along to get along...regardless of what is truly right or just.

[bocca001]

Here is a recent pickup for me. I guess it is Keezer? Or a copy of Keezer? It's not a full-size pennant. Maybe 3/4 size. The material is strange too. Almost like cheese cloth.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Here is a recent pickup for me. I guess it is Keezer? Or a copy of Keezer? It's not a full-size pennant. Maybe 3/4 size. The material is strange too. Almost like cheese cloth.

That's cool! One you don't see often, and really unique. There is a full-size orange version with that same graphic, but I like yours much better. Tough to find these white ones in such nice shape.

Great pickup, Marc!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Here is a recent pickup for me. I guess it is Keezer? Or a copy of Keezer? It's not a full-size pennant. Maybe 3/4 size. The material is strange too. Almost like cheese cloth.

As I mentioned, mine came from South America. I really kind of think that’s where they originated.

Mine was 99 cents with $25 shipping

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That's right. I will decide and every other person with a brain should too. Too many sheep in this country afraid to think on their own. But I think that will change soon. A lot of good people of all races are getting tired of the lunacy. PS...The world decided slavery was legal. And slaves were acquired from black brokers in Africa. So what exactly are you implying? I leave that rhetorical, as Mark said, there's a place for this conversation but it's probably not here.

How arrogant to claim that those who disagree with you don't have a brain, are "sheep." And who cares that you don't find the historical events being commemorated by these symbols offensive enough to warrant removal, enough others apparently do. And of course you missed my point entirely, that whatever overreaction and overreach in that regard pales in comparison to the suffering they represent. Feel free to fill your house with whatever historical representations you like, but I don't want to have to look at what you deem worthy to be celebrated in the public square.

[thetahat]

Circa 1954 Indians pennant, anyone know the maker?

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Circa 1954 Indians pennant, anyone know the maker?

New pickup?? That’s a great flag!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Circa 1954 Indians pennant, anyone know the maker?

I believe this one to be by Trench based upon the dimensions, cloth material, and red spines. There's a similar graphic for the '56 NL champ Brooklyn Dodgers.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I believe this one to be by Trench based upon the dimensions, cloth material, and red spines. There's a similar graphic for the '56 NL champ Brooklyn Dodgers.

Respectfully … I’m not so sure about that. These seem radically different than Trench as far as design, graphics, etc. Do you mean red tassels? One thing they have in common (but for one below) is colored tassels with white spine. Trench almost all have matching tassels and spine, except it seems for some in the 1962-63 range.

I believe these are all from the same company …

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Respectfully Â… IÂ’m not so sure about that. These seem radically different than Trench as far as design, graphics, etc. Do you mean red tassels? One thing they have in common (but for one below) is colored tassels with white spine. Trench almost all have matching tassels and spine, except it seems for some in the 1962-63 range.

I believe these are all from the same company Â…

Sorry: I meant red tassels, yes.

Radically different? I think itÂ’s more of a close call

Trench definitely used a white spine + colored tassels combo throughout the 1950s. You see that look on many different styles of Brooklyn Dodger pennants. But they also used the white spine + white tassel look then, too. (Even yellow spine + yellow tassels.). You are correct: by the early 1960s, at least on Los Angeles Dodgers pennants, they used red tassels + white spine + blue felt. That gave them a colorful look that of course complemented the teamÂ’s colors. I have no idea if they did that for other teams, or if it was a characteristic unique to the Dodgers.

Honestly I don’t think the color of the tassels is that helpful in ID’ing a pennant’s maker. I was more referring to the fact that your Indians pennant DID have tassels. That characteristic alone excludes WGN and ADFLAG from the discussion; and your mystery maker that we’ve all been consumed with identifying (the maker of the sliding runner series and the stiff arm footballer series — none of which featured tassels).

That really leaves Â… Trench, doesnÂ’t it? Tassels - check. Polychromatic artwork - check. Distinctive serif font - check. If the dimensions measure 8 x 26, and/or the itÂ’s made of flannel, thatÂ’s even more evidence itÂ’s likely by Trench.

Unfortunately, until we can extract the DNA from a pennant, weÂ’ll never really know no for sure who created it, right?

As to the four pennants you singled out Â… FWIW, IÂ’m confident the ca. 1950 Whiz Kids pennants is by Trench. IÂ’m on the fence as to the first Brooklyn pennant, which I think may be a phantom from 1951, perhaps? It looks like TrenchÂ’s work but IÂ’ve never seen it in person so IÂ’ll reserve judgment on that one.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Sorry: I meant red tassels, yes.

Radically different? I think itÂ’s more of a close call

Trench definitely used a white spine + colored tassels combo throughout the 1950s. You see that look on many different styles of Brooklyn Dodger pennants. But they also used the white spine + white tassel look then, too. (Even yellow spine + yellow tassels.). You are correct: by the early 1960s, at least on Los Angeles Dodgers pennants, they used red tassels + white spine + blue felt. That gave them a colorful look that of course complemented the teamÂ’s colors. I have no idea if they did that for other teams, or if it was a characteristic unique to the Dodgers.

Honestly I don’t think the color of the tassels is that helpful in ID’ing a pennant’s maker. I was more referring to the fact that your Indians pennant DID have tassels. That characteristic alone excludes WGN and ADFLAG from the discussion; and your mystery maker that we’ve all been consumed with identifying (the maker of the sliding runner series and the stiff arm footballer series — none of which featured tassels).

That really leaves Â… Trench, doesnÂ’t it? Tassels - check. Polychromatic artwork - check. Distinctive serif font - check. If the dimensions measure 8 x 26, and/or the itÂ’s made of flannel, thatÂ’s even more evidence itÂ’s likely by Trench.

Unfortunately, until we can extract the DNA from a pennant, weÂ’ll never really know no for sure who created it, right?

As to the four pennants you singled out Â… FWIW, IÂ’m confident the ca. 1950 Whiz Kids pennants is by Trench. IÂ’m on the fence as to the first Brooklyn pennant, which I think may be a phantom from 1951, perhaps? It looks like TrenchÂ’s work but IÂ’ve never seen it in person so IÂ’ll reserve judgment on that one.

Interesting. The 1954 Indians is full-size. Here’s a 1950 Trench Phillies. I don’t see anything in common here. Even the texture of the spine is different. … Can do same with the 1954 Indians … Trench made a few different versions for this season but they all share some common features. The one above just doesn’t seem to fit.

Now I agree not AdFlag or WGN, even though the latter did have tasseled pennants in the 1940s. I personally think this is another unidentified maker.