Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I'm sure there are plenty of today's SJWs that would attempt to cancel the Brooklyn Bum, and every pennant on which he appears.

SJWs? Are we getting political again?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

SJWs? Are we getting political again?

Edited to say that some people like the nickname "Bums" as a term of endearment, and some may not.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I thought that's how they branded themselves... social justice being their objective. If there's a negative connotation, let me know and I will delete comment. Nevertheless, I don't think this faction would be tolerant of a team called "The Bums", represented by a cartoonish Hobo-like mascot. Willard Mullin may be the next to go the same route as Dr. Suess.

C'mon, Mark. Please try to be better than this.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

C'mon, Mark. Please try to be better than this.

Ok- I cleaned it up... thanx

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

C'mon, Mark. Please try to be better than this.

I didn't see anything wrong with it. Everything he said was true. Only a matter of time before the Chiefs, Indians and Braves have new names. Ant Jemima and Uncle Ben both gone. I know plenty of black people who are pissed about that. Who decides what's offensive anyway? A vocal minority it seems.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

I didn't see anything wrong with it. Everything he said was true. Only a matter of time before the Chiefs, Indians and Braves have new names. Ant Jemima and Uncle Ben both gone. I know plenty of black people who are pissed about that. Who decides what's offensive anyway? A vocal minority it seems.

So who IS going to decide? You? Mark? I can, however, tell you who decided when slavery was legal. I can tell you who decided when Native Americans were being marched into oblivion. I can guess that a poll of Germans in 1946 would have shown overwhelming support for keeping the Swastika as the country's symbol. If things swing a little too far in the direction of trying to correct America's long and sordid history of oppression of minorities of all kinds, that seems a small price to pay in the ledger of atonement. I suspect, though, that many of the objectors have no interest in atonement of any kind, and probably little awareness that there is anything to atone for.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

So who IS going to decide? You? Mark? I can, however, tell you who decided when slavery was legal. I can tell you who decided when Native Americans were being marched into oblivion. I can guess that a poll of Germans in 1946 would have shown overwhelming support for keeping the Swastika as the country's symbol. If things swing a little too far in the direction of trying to correct America's long and sordid history of oppression of minorities of all kinds, that seems a small price to pay in the ledger of atonement. I suspect, though, that many of the objectors have no interest in atonement of any kind, and probably little awareness that there is anything to atone for.

It's a good and important discussion. But not for this particular thread (or even this forum). I edited out my previous comments, so we can just focus on pennants here.

I have a collection of Willard Mullin original artwork, circa 1940s-50s. Mullin created "The Brooklyn Bum" and used extreme characters to depict the Indians, Braves, Pirates, etc. I won't post the images, as many would be deemed offensive by today's standards.

I just found it interesting that the work of cartoon artists like Mullin/Gallo/O'Mealia graced the front pages of every major newspaper and The Sporting News every single day from the 1940s through at least the 1980s. Now it is a lost art form that is rarely seen. Perhaps partly because of the print media decline and partly because of the subject matter being more restrictive under today's standards.

Same holds true for the LSU Chinese Bandits Pennant posted by Rob... definitely would not be made today. Interesting topics for sure, but best suited for another day/another forum.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

So who IS going to decide? You? Mark? I can, however, tell you who decided when slavery was legal. I can tell you who decided when Native Americans were being marched into oblivion. I can guess that a poll of Germans in 1946 would have shown overwhelming support for keeping the Swastika as the country's symbol. If things swing a little too far in the direction of trying to correct America's long and sordid history of oppression of minorities of all kinds, that seems a small price to pay in the ledger of atonement. I suspect, though, that many of the objectors have no interest in atonement of any kind, and probably little awareness that there is anything to atone for.

That's right. I will decide and every other person with a brain should too. Too many sheep in this country afraid to think on their own. But I think that will change soon. A lot of good people of all races are getting tired of the lunacy.

PS...The world decided slavery was legal. And slaves were acquired from black brokers in Africa. So what exactly are you implying? I leave that rhetorical, as Mark said, there's a place for this conversation but it's probably not here.

[ooo-ribay]

I think the “sheep” are the exact opposite of the SJWs....which, by the way, I had to google. The real sheep love their demeaning catch phrases.

Sorry, I had to say it.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That's right. I will decide and every other person with a brain should too. Too many sheep in this country afraid to think on their own. But I think that will change soon. A lot of good people of all races are getting tired of the lunacy. PS...The world decided slavery was legal. And slaves were acquired from black brokers in Africa. So what exactly are you implying? I leave that rhetorical, as Mark said, there's a place for this conversation but it's probably not here.

How arrogant to claim that those who disagree with you don't have a brain, are "sheep." And who cares that you don't find the historical events being commemorated by these symbols offensive enough to warrant removal, enough others apparently do. And of course you missed my point entirely, that whatever overreaction and overreach in that regard pales in comparison to the suffering they represent. Feel free to fill your house with whatever historical representations you like, but I don't want to have to look at what you deem worthy to be celebrated in the public square.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

So who IS going to decide? You? Mark? I can, however, tell you who decided when slavery was legal. I can tell you who decided when Native Americans were being marched into oblivion. I can guess that a poll of Germans in 1946 would have shown overwhelming support for keeping the Swastika as the country's symbol. If things swing a little too far in the direction of trying to correct America's long and sordid history of oppression of minorities of all kinds, that seems a small price to pay in the ledger of atonement. I suspect, though, that many of the objectors have no interest in atonement of any kind, and probably little awareness that there is anything to atone for.

One should only *atone* for the results of his or her own immoral actions. That’s not the same as speaking up for what is right.