Negro Leagues Recognized As Major

[steve B]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Do you make the same claims about 19th century players? If not why not? All their stats aren’t complete.

Yes, it's a similar situation, where some teams were excellent and consistent, and others.... not so much, largely due to sketchy financing.

What I'd previously read about the negro leagues was that the stats known at the time (which was admittedly quite some time ago) included known stats from barnstorming games against random town teams.

It seems things have improved a lot, and the known stats have been limited to games against league competition, which makes it nearly identical to some 19th century stuff.
It will take a lot of getting used to.

[mq711]

The next MLB record book update will include Helen Fox as having the greatest pitching year ever, 31 wins and an era under one. Why no push for her induction into the hall of fame? Played in organized league, excluded from MLB because of gender and I guess the the stats are as accurate as NLB.

[Jason19th]

[QUOTE=mq711;2115031]The next MLB record book update will include Helen Fox as having the greatest pitching year ever, 31 wins and an era under one. Why no push for her induction into the hall of fame? Played in organized league, excluded from MLB because of gender and I guess the the stats are as accurate as NLB.[/

Her exclusion wasn’t based on her gender but her skill. From Ada Weiss to the Bloomer girls, Lizzie Murphy to Mamee Johnson, while there have been many highly skilled female players I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing that they were MLB players. The game that the women played in the 40’s profession League was closer to modern fast pitch softball then baseball. This is not to say that I don’t believe that there will not eventually be a female player. In nearly all sports the gaps between female and male performance is shrinking. I would not be surprised if a women plays in the next twenty years. Especially if the game goes back to valuing on base and manufactured runs

[Clutch-Hitter]

[QUOTE=Jason19th;2115041]

Originally Posted by mq711

The next MLB record book update will include Helen Fox as having the greatest pitching year ever, 31 wins and an era under one. Why no push for her induction into the hall of fame? Played in organized league, excluded from MLB because of gender and I guess the the stats are as accurate as NLB.[/

Her exclusion wasn’t based on her gender but her skill. From Ada Weiss to the Bloomer girls, Lizzie Murphy to Mamee Johnson, while there have been many highly skilled female players I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing that they were MLB players. The game that the women played in the 40’s profession League was closer to modern fast pitch softball then baseball. This is not to say that I don’t believe that there will not eventually be a female player. In nearly all sports the gaps between female and male performance is shrinking. I would not be surprised if a women plays in the next twenty years. Especially if the game goes back to valuing on base and manufactured runs

That's great news!

[Kevin]

My dad grew up in Glendale. Born in 1940, his father wrote for the Sun as a criminal reporter (no byline) and his brother covered the NY baseball and football Giants from 1951-57, the Yankees through 65 and then the Pirates from 66-86.

I heard all about the Bushwicks as they were so close to Glendale. Dad saw them way more often than the Dodgers ( I was absolutely floored when he told me that he went to Ebbets field maybe 15-20x and spent way more time at the Polo Grounds - which makes sense because he tagged along with his brother while he was covering games).

So, Dexter Park...site of Franklin K Lane High School today. What a wonderful little history. Thanks for posting...