Outed PSA 10 Gary Carter being sold for second time by PWCC after PSA "review"

[Peter_Spaeth]

In lieu of that how about a video of Nat Turner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Cbq8W98MY&t=1s

35 minute mark or so, scandal discussion. Warning you may be disappointed.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In lieu of that how about a video of Nat Turner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Cbq8W98MY&t=1s

35 minute mark or so, scandal discussion. Warning you may be disappointed.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


What a lying sack of.... to say that grading standards haven't changed and it's all newbies sending in cards complaining about grades is complete BS. It's on every forum, experienced submitters are getting the shaft. Especially on high dollar cards.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

What a lying sack of.... to say that grading standards haven't changed and it's all newbies sending in cards complaining about grades is complete BS. It's on every forum, experienced submitters are getting the shaft. Especially on high dollar cards.

"Won't Get Fooled Again" would actually be a perfect title, whether it's a Book, Movie, TV Documentary or otherwise.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

"Won't Get Fooled Again" would actually be a perfect title, whether it's a Book, Movie, TV Documentary or otherwise.

Except that we (collectively) do get fooled again and again.

Deny, minimize, deflect. Why not, it works.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


What a lying sack of.... to say that grading standards haven't changed and it's all newbies sending in cards complaining about grades is complete BS. It's on every forum, experienced submitters are getting the shaft. Especially on high dollar cards.

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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Every non-ebay auction house has their bidders private too. Maybe Brentsy is just becoming state of the art.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Every non-ebay auction house has their bidders private too. Maybe Brentsy is just becoming state of the art.

OK beat me to it. It's actually policy at many auctions (mine included) to not reveal bidders or sellers. It's a privacy issue, if you reveal bidders then everyone from collectors to dealers to criminals who want to break in and steal things can target them. It's just a bad look to be selling in one manner for years, and then as the noose starts to tighten you start changing the way you do business to become increasingly opaque.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

OK beat me to it. It's actually policy at many auctions (mine included) to not reveal bidders or sellers. It's a privacy issue, if you reveal bidders then everyone from collectors to dealers to criminals who want to break in and steal things can target them. It's just a bad look to be selling in one manner for years, and then as the noose starts to tighten you start changing the way you do business to become increasingly opaque.

What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

That is so easy to fix though. Give your friend the card to consign. I would say there is close to a 100% chance that is happening.

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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

Really a similar rationale. You're calling attention to someone who may have a lot of money, a lot of cards or both. Anonymity is actually the norm in the auction world. Unless the owner adds some cachet to the sale you can go all the way up to Christies and Sothebys and anonymity is the general rule.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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It's also an effort to thwart BODA. One less piece of information to help them ferret things out.

Of course if I were PWCC I"d argue that REA, Heritage and Goldin aren't obligated to reveal their bidders.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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Agree Leon ! I also thought the Vault from it's inception was a cover for their shills.