Outed PSA 10 Gary Carter being sold for second time by PWCC after PSA "review"

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


What a lying sack of.... to say that grading standards haven't changed and it's all newbies sending in cards complaining about grades is complete BS. It's on every forum, experienced submitters are getting the shaft. Especially on high dollar cards.

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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Every non-ebay auction house has their bidders private too. Maybe Brentsy is just becoming state of the art.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Every non-ebay auction house has their bidders private too. Maybe Brentsy is just becoming state of the art.

OK beat me to it. It's actually policy at many auctions (mine included) to not reveal bidders or sellers. It's a privacy issue, if you reveal bidders then everyone from collectors to dealers to criminals who want to break in and steal things can target them. It's just a bad look to be selling in one manner for years, and then as the noose starts to tighten you start changing the way you do business to become increasingly opaque.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

OK beat me to it. It's actually policy at many auctions (mine included) to not reveal bidders or sellers. It's a privacy issue, if you reveal bidders then everyone from collectors to dealers to criminals who want to break in and steal things can target them. It's just a bad look to be selling in one manner for years, and then as the noose starts to tighten you start changing the way you do business to become increasingly opaque.

What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

That is so easy to fix though. Give your friend the card to consign. I would say there is close to a 100% chance that is happening.

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[jchcollins]

Dang it. And to think I have to go home to my PSA 6 Carter RC that I paid $40 or so for...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is so easy to fix though. Give your friend the card to consign. I would say there is close to a 100% chance that is happening.

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Not sure these scumbags have friends outside their own circle.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's the rationale for not revealing consignors, e.g. card doctors? (Not you I know you don't knowingly take cards from them, I mean in general.)

Really a similar rationale. You're calling attention to someone who may have a lot of money, a lot of cards or both. Anonymity is actually the norm in the auction world. Unless the owner adds some cachet to the sale you can go all the way up to Christies and Sothebys and anonymity is the general rule.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Conservation rules. A fine conserved asset.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1470269

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Really a similar rationale. You're calling attention to someone who may have a lot of money, a lot of cards or both. Anonymity is actually the norm in the auction world. Unless the owner adds some cachet to the sale you can go all the way up to Christies and Sothebys and anonymity is the general rule.

It's sure done the hobby a lot of good, letting card doctors and their enablers run amok without repercussions.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's sure done the hobby a lot of good, letting card doctors and their enablers run amok without repercussions.

I'm sure it unintentionally served the same purpose in the art world and other niches. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, but you can't expect every buyer and seller to want their name broadcast to the world. That means it comes down to the ethics of the auction house. Unfortunately even at the very top of the auction industry there has been shenanigans (read up on Christie's and Sotheby's colluding on consignor rates) I'd say I don't know why the auction business seems to attract so many bad apples, but that would be disingenuous. I will say the longer I'm around the more I wonder about ALL business categories being more crooked than ethical.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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It's also an effort to thwart BODA. One less piece of information to help them ferret things out.

Of course if I were PWCC I"d argue that REA, Heritage and Goldin aren't obligated to reveal their bidders.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 ... standards have changed unless it's a T206 Wags....

And back to the subject a little bit. How can anyone in the world think that PWCC having their bidders be private is anything but a cover for shills? Hopefully the FBI will make all the fraudsters pay, whomever they are.

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Agree Leon ! I also thought the Vault from it's inception was a cover for their shills.