Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[G1911]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Because people died from the flu. Just like people die from Covid. If your argument is that I have an ethical obligation to wear a mask because you are scared and your vaccine is only 95% effective, but you are at no greater risk than a flue patient in 2019, it is fair to ask what you did when the danger was also tiny but present. It is you who used the excuse that the government didn’t order this for the flu. It is fair to then ask if our standard is ethical or based upon the orders of the state then. It seems that under your last argument I have to wear a mask around people depending on what governmental body has jurisdiction in that place and what they have directed, not the life-saving argument you first used.

I might be young, maybe I’m going downhill, but at least I don’t claim you have to live YOUR life according to MY whims.

But the flaw in your reasoning is that I had no reason to know or think about any of this in 2019, at least I was not aware of any public discourse on the subject.

Plus a lot of people haven't been vaccinated and are still at whatever their baseline risk was, so (assuming for argument's sake masks cut down on transmission) you're still exposing them even if you're not exposing me very much.

[G1911]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

You are unaware that thousands of people die from the flu every year, especially seniors and those with immune system diseases? The fact that the flu can be lethal (more lethal than Covid if you are 95% immune to Covid) is completely new to you?

What a crock. The difference is that it wasn’t a virtue signal of moral superiority in 2019.

Of course I understand that, but tell me who in 2019 was suggesting I wear a mask to protect others? And if nobody was, why would I have had reason to come to that conclusion myself?

[G1911]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

So again, it’s not actually about saving lives, it’s about doing what you are told.

Nobody told you to wear a mask in 2019, because in 2019 we knew that surgical masks did not have much impact on airborne viral transmission of diseases, and it wasn’t a virtue signal event for social popularity points and moral posturing.

You are being willfully stupid now. Twisting and distorting is not valid argument. It isn't about doing what I am told, it's about doing what I am aware would help, and if nobody was discussing it, and they weren't, I had no such knowledge. It's pretty obvious that for better or worse with the pandemic there is an entirely different level of public discourse and awareness.

[Peter_Spaeth]

As to the topic of whether masks in fact help, I do have some skepticism, but so far I've been persuaded I should err on the side of they might given what I've read.

[G1911]

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[packs]

We're talking about signs of respect not living life as the perfect example of humanity. At this moment in time, it is respectful to wear a mask in public, the same way it would be respectful for you to smoke your cigarette outside instead of in my living room. It is possible to accomplish both being respectful and doing what you'd like to do. If you don't want to get the vaccine, totally fine. Wear a mask around me and do whatever you like away from me. Why fight against that?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Wear a mask around me and do whatever you like away from me. Why fight against that?

You just gave yourself up. It's all about YOU! If it were about others, you would say to wear a mask around them too.

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You just gave yourself up. It's all about YOU! If it were about others, you would say to wear a mask around them too.

I say you because in this case it's someone specific who doesn't want to wear a mask. I've already said I wear mine even with a vaccination. I don't need to convince myself to do that.

[G1911]

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[packs]

I'm sorry but that doesn't really make a lot of sense. I'm wearing a mask as a precaution for both of us. How can I be disrespectful in that situation?

[G1911]

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[packs]

You've lost me. If you ask me to smoke a cigarette at your gas station I'm going to decline and it won't be because I don't respect your desires.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by G1911

Because people died from the flu. Just like people die from Covid. If your argument is that I have an ethical obligation to wear a mask because you are scared and your vaccine is only 95% effective, but you are at no greater risk than a flue patient in 2019, it is fair to ask what you did when the danger was also tiny but present. It is you who used the excuse that the government didn’t order this for the flu. It is fair to then ask if our standard is ethical or based upon the orders of the state then. It seems that under your last argument I have to wear a mask around people depending on what governmental body has jurisdiction in that place and what they have directed, not the life-saving argument you first used.

I might be young, maybe I’m going downhill, but at least I don’t claim you have to live YOUR life according to MY whims.

You're making the best points by far here, and showing that youth and intelligent reasoning are not mutually exclusive.

... ignore the straw man and "going downhill" comments, they speak of the inability of others here to argue your points...