Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It went from "two weeks to flatten the curve" to "I'll need to see your vaccine card before you can...(fill in the blank)" all within one year.

But I was referring more to the constant flip flop regarding effectiveness of masks, whether the disease could be transmitted via contaminated surfaces, even to the fact that the WHO came out and initially said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Also the inconsistency in testing. When a goat and a pawpaw test positive for Covid and one doesn't question that, then they are indeed brainwashed.

And not to get political, but even statements from NY political leaders:

"This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy." - NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio - February 10th 2020

"We know that there is currently no indication that it's easy to transmit by casual contact. There's no need to do any special anything in the community. We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives - ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors." - NYC Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot, MD - March 2, 2020

“There's really no need to panic and avoid activities that we always do as New Yorkers.” - I don’t know who this moron is, but he obviously has some kind of leadership position. - February 2, 2020

I could go on and on. But surely some can see why one would question the vaccine given so much misinformation.

But if you had this same skepticism about all medication there wouldn't be any medication to take. Why is the vaccine different?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Many people said many stupid things along the way, but overall the arc has been one of learning as we go from experience, not a vast conspiracy, I think.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

But if you had this same skepticism about all medication there wouldn't be any medication to take. Why is the vaccine different?

Because it's new. I've said (and others have said too) once it's been around for a while and it's been determined there are no long term side effects, I'll more than likely get it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Because it's new. I've said (and others have said too) once it's been around for a while and it's been determined there are no long term side effects, I'll more than likely get it.

Has that determination been made for any approved drug, or GMOs, or artificial sweeteners or preservatives, or household cleaning products you probably inhale when using?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Has that determination been made for any approved drug, or GMOs, or artificial sweeteners or preservatives?

I'm not having those shoved down my throat, or being bombarded with commercials with celebrities and politicians telling me how safe those are and why I should consume them.

Let's turn it around. Have you ever in your lifetime seen so much persuasiveness to take a vaccine? I'll be 50 next month (and I think you're a little older than I am) and I've never seen anything like it. Does that seem normal to you? I've never seen a flu vaccine commercial in my life. You???

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not having those shoved down my throat, or being bombarded with commercials with celebrities and politicians telling me how safe those are and why I should consume them.

Let's turn it around. Have you ever in your lifetime seen so much persuasiveness to take a vaccine? I'll be 50 next month (and I think you're a little older than I am) and I've never seen anything like it. Does that seem normal to you? I've never seen a flu vaccine commercial in my life. You???

The pandemic is unprecedented in our lifetime, no? Don't you think that explains it?

[packs]

There have actually been pretty aggressive vaccination campaigns lately. The most prominent one that comes to mind is the HPV vaccine. The meningitis B vaccine is another huge one. These vaccines are targeted toward children / young adults in particular so you may not be as familiar.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The pandemic is unprecedented in our lifetime, no? Don't you think that explains it?

I don't think it explains it. Unless one is living under a rock, they know there is a vaccine out there that is FREE to them if they so choose. So why are they really pushing this thing so hard??? That just doesn't seem normal to me.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Let's turn it around. Have you ever in your lifetime seen so much persuasiveness to take a vaccine?

Evidently the "persuasiveness" isn't very persuasive, at least to you, which is kind of funny because most (if not all) of the people you voted for, and those you probably watch and listen to on TV have all "been persuaded", even though they campaign with their own "persuasiveness" against you doing so.

I'm older than you, so when I reference my lifetime it encompasses yours. I travel for a living (nearly 5 million miles during my career, half of it on the ground) and in MY lifetime, I have never experienced anything that CLOSED the entire world to my multi-billion dollar business that employs millions of people worldwide.

This isn't a Democrat vs Rumpublican based political issue, none of my friends in Adelaide, Australia; Sao Paulo, Brazil; Eindhoven, Holland; St. John's, Newfoundland; Tokyo, Japan; Kerikeri, New Zealand; etc. care in the slightest that for the first time in my life I agree with Liz Cheney.

And they also don't care that you probably don't.

This thread is getting tired, let's discuss something else we might eventually agree on like abortion or the death penalty.

Doug "If there is a God, she Hates Us All" Goodman

[Peter_Spaeth]

In the US it does, for whatever reason, seem to be a political issue. I would be willing to bet there is a pretty good statistical correlation between position on the vaccine and party affiliation. Indeed I recently saw a rather startling statistic on the percentage of people who call themselves Republicans who don't intend to get it.

Not unusual for America I suppose. For example, you would think which person you believe in a he said she said sexual assault case would probably correlate more with your sex than anything else, but if the alleged perpetrator is a political figure (e.g. a Supreme Court nominee), party affiliation becomes a huge factor. The irony there is when the next accused is from the other party, everyone changes sides.

[irv]

Follow the science.

How many times have they flip flopped on this vaccine?? I have honestly lost count, but that also goes with the rest of the narrative. From masks don't do anything to wear 2, it's on surfaces to no its not. I could go on here but it's a waste of time.
Everyone up here also seems to have forgotten that the original advice was to get both shots within a couple/few weeks of each other to be effective, but because our Federal gov't didn't procure enough, they say waiting up to 4 months now or longer is OK too????

Ontario will no longer offer first doses of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

TORONTO -- Ontario will no longer offer first doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine due to an increase in reports of rare blood clots.

The announcement was made by Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. David Williams on Tuesday afternoon.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-w...cine-1.5423379

Now our Federal gov't, again, because he didn't procure enough vaccines, is talking about mixing them but yet there is no confirmed/verified data about the health risks nor if mixing them will actually do anything???

I'm sure the "science" will come out and eventually tell us mixing them is OK, but I imagine, just like the AstraZeneca vaccine, in a few weeks, they will tell us differently.
https://www.cp24.com/news/u-k-study-...ines-1.5425549

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

What a mess!

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the US it does, for whatever reason, seem to be a political issue. I would be willing to bet there is a pretty good statistical correlation between position on the vaccine and party affiliation. Indeed I recently saw a rather startling statistic on the percentage of people who call themselves Republicans who don't intend to get it.

I think the correlation is more along the lines of people who think for themselves being less likely to take it, as opposed to people who blindly do what they are told.

For the record, I think for myself and decided to get the shots.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not unusual for America I suppose. For example, you would think which person you believe in a he said she said sexual assault case would probably correlate more with your sex than anything else, but if the alleged perpetrator is a political figure (e.g. a Supreme Court nominee), party affiliation becomes a huge factor.

I think the correlation here is that people who think for themselves see an accusation, brought forward for the first time 35 years after the fact, where even the accusers own witnesses said it didn't happen, has little merit, while people who blindly follow their party are willing to destroy a person's career.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The irony there is when the next accused is from the other party, everyone changes sides.

I disagree. I could give a clear example but I'd be violating a rule.