Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Because it's new. I've said (and others have said too) once it's been around for a while and it's been determined there are no long term side effects, I'll more than likely get it.

Has that determination been made for any approved drug, or GMOs, or artificial sweeteners or preservatives, or household cleaning products you probably inhale when using?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Has that determination been made for any approved drug, or GMOs, or artificial sweeteners or preservatives?

I'm not having those shoved down my throat, or being bombarded with commercials with celebrities and politicians telling me how safe those are and why I should consume them.

Let's turn it around. Have you ever in your lifetime seen so much persuasiveness to take a vaccine? I'll be 50 next month (and I think you're a little older than I am) and I've never seen anything like it. Does that seem normal to you? I've never seen a flu vaccine commercial in my life. You???

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not having those shoved down my throat, or being bombarded with commercials with celebrities and politicians telling me how safe those are and why I should consume them.

Let's turn it around. Have you ever in your lifetime seen so much persuasiveness to take a vaccine? I'll be 50 next month (and I think you're a little older than I am) and I've never seen anything like it. Does that seem normal to you? I've never seen a flu vaccine commercial in my life. You???

The pandemic is unprecedented in our lifetime, no? Don't you think that explains it?

[packs]

There have actually been pretty aggressive vaccination campaigns lately. The most prominent one that comes to mind is the HPV vaccine. The meningitis B vaccine is another huge one. These vaccines are targeted toward children / young adults in particular so you may not be as familiar.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The pandemic is unprecedented in our lifetime, no? Don't you think that explains it?

I don't think it explains it. Unless one is living under a rock, they know there is a vaccine out there that is FREE to them if they so choose. So why are they really pushing this thing so hard??? That just doesn't seem normal to me.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Let's turn it around. Have you ever in your lifetime seen so much persuasiveness to take a vaccine?

Evidently the "persuasiveness" isn't very persuasive, at least to you, which is kind of funny because most (if not all) of the people you voted for, and those you probably watch and listen to on TV have all "been persuaded", even though they campaign with their own "persuasiveness" against you doing so.

I'm older than you, so when I reference my lifetime it encompasses yours. I travel for a living (nearly 5 million miles during my career, half of it on the ground) and in MY lifetime, I have never experienced anything that CLOSED the entire world to my multi-billion dollar business that employs millions of people worldwide.

This isn't a Democrat vs Rumpublican based political issue, none of my friends in Adelaide, Australia; Sao Paulo, Brazil; Eindhoven, Holland; St. John's, Newfoundland; Tokyo, Japan; Kerikeri, New Zealand; etc. care in the slightest that for the first time in my life I agree with Liz Cheney.

And they also don't care that you probably don't.

This thread is getting tired, let's discuss something else we might eventually agree on like abortion or the death penalty.

Doug "If there is a God, she Hates Us All" Goodman

[Peter_Spaeth]

In the US it does, for whatever reason, seem to be a political issue. I would be willing to bet there is a pretty good statistical correlation between position on the vaccine and party affiliation. Indeed I recently saw a rather startling statistic on the percentage of people who call themselves Republicans who don't intend to get it.

Not unusual for America I suppose. For example, you would think which person you believe in a he said she said sexual assault case would probably correlate more with your sex than anything else, but if the alleged perpetrator is a political figure (e.g. a Supreme Court nominee), party affiliation becomes a huge factor. The irony there is when the next accused is from the other party, everyone changes sides.

[irv]

Follow the science.

How many times have they flip flopped on this vaccine?? I have honestly lost count, but that also goes with the rest of the narrative. From masks don't do anything to wear 2, it's on surfaces to no its not. I could go on here but it's a waste of time.
Everyone up here also seems to have forgotten that the original advice was to get both shots within a couple/few weeks of each other to be effective, but because our Federal gov't didn't procure enough, they say waiting up to 4 months now or longer is OK too????

Ontario will no longer offer first doses of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

TORONTO -- Ontario will no longer offer first doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine due to an increase in reports of rare blood clots.

The announcement was made by Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. David Williams on Tuesday afternoon.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-w...cine-1.5423379

Now our Federal gov't, again, because he didn't procure enough vaccines, is talking about mixing them but yet there is no confirmed/verified data about the health risks nor if mixing them will actually do anything???

I'm sure the "science" will come out and eventually tell us mixing them is OK, but I imagine, just like the AstraZeneca vaccine, in a few weeks, they will tell us differently.
https://www.cp24.com/news/u-k-study-...ines-1.5425549

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

What a mess!

[tschock]

To those on all sides of the 'speed to market' issue of the vaccine, maybe we should serious consider this: Are we taking too much time to approve everything else?

[Republicaninmass]

"All SUNY and CUNY schools will require vaccinations for all in-person students beginning Fall 2021. This requirement is subject to the FDA providing a full approval for the vaccine, beyond the current emergency use authorization. Certain medical and religious exemptions will be permitted. "


Yes you gotta have faith a-faith a-faith!

I have a feeling we see some growth in religious catagories

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the US it does, for whatever reason, seem to be a political issue. I would be willing to bet there is a pretty good statistical correlation between position on the vaccine and party affiliation. Indeed I recently saw a rather startling statistic on the percentage of people who call themselves Republicans who don't intend to get it.

I think the correlation is more along the lines of people who think for themselves being less likely to take it, as opposed to people who blindly do what they are told.

For the record, I think for myself and decided to get the shots.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not unusual for America I suppose. For example, you would think which person you believe in a he said she said sexual assault case would probably correlate more with your sex than anything else, but if the alleged perpetrator is a political figure (e.g. a Supreme Court nominee), party affiliation becomes a huge factor.

I think the correlation here is that people who think for themselves see an accusation, brought forward for the first time 35 years after the fact, where even the accusers own witnesses said it didn't happen, has little merit, while people who blindly follow their party are willing to destroy a person's career.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The irony there is when the next accused is from the other party, everyone changes sides.

I disagree. I could give a clear example but I'd be violating a rule.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And I could give all sorts of examples where the accused's party affiliation correlated very strongly with who was for him and who was against him.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I think the correlation here is that people who think for themselves see an accusation, brought forward for the first time 35 years after the fact, where even the accusers own witnesses said it didn't happen, has little merit, while people who blindly follow their party are willing to destroy a person's career.

+1

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If the efficacy rate is 95 percent, which is incredibly high for any vaccine, and countless millions of people get it, then of course there are going to be high numbers of people who still get infected. Your point is?

Or maybe people who need emergency life saving surgery shouldn't get it because it only has a 95 percent chance of saving their life.

Seem odd to you, Peter? 8 from the "same team" all contract covid after being fully vaccinated. Is that a 95% efficacy rate?
Again, is there any proof whatsoever that these vaccines are actually doing anything?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/...cases-n1267332
Here's another one.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/art...s-16172770.php

I've heard this but never posted it because I couldn't verify it but it seems like what I am hearing is true, that the CDC, and some other medical officials, for some reason (???) are trying to hide these breakthrough cases?

"At the start of May, the CDC shifted from monitoring all reported breakthroughs to only those that result in hospitalization or death, Tom Clark, head of the vaccine evaluation unit for the CDC’s vaccine task force, said in an interview"
https://fortune.com/2021/05/10/can-y...cases-tracing/