Should be interesting CSG 52 Topps Mays

[RL]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Then why would CSG hire Andy Broome, who was the leading vintage grader at Beckett? That comment makes little sense.

Rich

they made an error hiring that guy. and hiring him makes no sense.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RL

they made an error hiring that guy. and hiring him makes no sense.

I disagree. IMO he is the best grader in the industry at detecting fakes and fraudulent cards. I agree that they need to tighten their grading standards to stay competitive. But then again I have know him for over 20 yrs so I am a little biased. I also know some of the other graders in the hobby and to me he is the best one out there right now.

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[RL]

Originally Posted by Leon

I disagree. IMO he is the best grader in the industry at detecting fakes and fraudulent cards. I agree that they need to tighten their grading standards to stay competitive. But then again I have know him for over 20 yrs so I am a little biased. I also know some of the other graders in the hobby and to me he is the best one out there right now.

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Leon, I do value your opinion, especially on vintage cards.

[marzoumanian]

I subscribe to Beckett Vintage Collector and when Andy was with that organization he regularly wrote detailed articles about how to detect fraud in vintage cards of ALL sorts. The hobby needs this man of integrity. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly. Peace and stay healthy.

[nolemmings]

I really dislike the gargantuan label, it should be half that height. Slab labels should be like umpires--best appreciated when hardly noticed. And stuff the subgrades on the back--they're obtrusive anyway. Subgrades are useful, at most IMO, to account for surface problems not readily seen from scans.

As for the grade of this card, meh. Probably more accurately a 1.5, but it's hard for me to get worked up about a card this low on the grading scale. The eye appeal or lack of same should drive the price at the good or so level. It's not like someone would be looking to pump up their registry status (assuming this were a PSA card for example). Nor would someone likely spend a bunch of time or money trying to "improve" their set with this card because of its slabbed grade. Is the market at the very low grade level really slab-number driven anyway?

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

As for the grade of this card, meh. Probably more accurately a 1.5, but it's hard for me to get worked up about a card this low on the grading scale. The eye appeal or lack of same should drive the price at the good or so level. It's not like someone would be looking to pump up their registry status (assuming this were a PSA card for example). Nor would someone likely spend a bunch of time or money trying to "improve" their set with this card because of its slabbed grade. Is the market at the very low grade level really slab-number driven anyway?

I would say no, or at least less driven by the flip than higher grade vintage and modern for sure. Eye appeal is king for low grade vintage, in my recent experience as a buyer. The problem is that this card doesn't have much eye appeal for a 2.5. It might be considered a decent 1, but it just looks silly with a VG+ grade. Having the silly slab on top of that is insult to injury. If and when it is sold for a reasonable price, my guess is that the buyer will crack it out immediately. Hard to imagine any collector of low grade vintage keeping it in that! I certainly wouldn't.

[cesarcap]

Pulling for one of these new grading companies to push the established ones but I wouldn't pay > than a 1 SGC/PSA for this Mays.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by chadeast

I would say no, or at least less driven by the flip than higher grade vintage and modern for sure. Eye appeal is king for low grade vintage, in my recent experience as a buyer. The problem is that this card doesn't have much eye appeal for a 2.5. It might be considered a decent 1, but it just looks silly with a VG+ grade. Having the silly slab on top of that is insult to injury. If and when it is sold for a reasonable price, my guess is that the buyer will crack it out immediately. Hard to imagine any collector of low grade vintage keeping it in that! I certainly wouldn't.

The card has gd+ grade, not vg+. As for cracking it out, different strokes I guess. I didn't know low grade collectors gave much of a crap about the slabs anyway, and would be as likely to crack it out if was in a PSA holder regardless of the number. Keep it in the PSA holder if "properly" graded a 1 but crack it out if it's overgraded as a 2.5? OK.

[LincolnVT]

Should still bring 6,500+ which is in line with a PSA or SGC 1 today.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

The card has gd+ grade, not vg+. As for cracking it out, different strokes I guess. I didn't know low grade collectors gave much of a crap about the slabs anyway, and would be as likely to crack it out if was in a PSA holder regardless of the number. Keep it in the PSA holder if "properly" graded a 1 but crack it out if it's overgraded as a 2.5? OK.

Actually, youre right. It would be cracked out regardless of what holder it was in. Sorry, letting my dislike of the CSG holder cloud my thinking 😀