Should be interesting CSG 52 Topps Mays

[Exhibitman]

I am simply astounded by the number of people selling expensive cards on eBay who haven't bothered to spend a hundred bucks on a decent flatbed scanner. Memo to seller; blurry, flash-obscured photos do not sell expensive cards.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I am simply astounded by the number of people selling expensive cards on eBay who haven't bothered to spend a hundred bucks on a decent flatbed scanner. Memo to seller; blurry, flash-obscured photos do not sell expensive cards.

+1 I can't believe how many four figure cards I see with crappy images and little to no description.

[Casey2296]

So much wrong here. CSG has clearly shown they have no interest in grading pre 70's cards, why would anyone sub a card like a 52 Mays to them.

[pokerplyr80]

Aside from the flip and holder which I'm not a fan of, that is a terrible looking card for the grade. Hard to imagine it would have been a psa 2.5. Maybe a 2, but probably a 1.

[ASF123]

If that card gets a single bid as a “2.5” at $5k (with $80 for shipping??), I’m boxing up my entire collection and sending it to CSG immediately, for they are the true alchemists.

[dio]

I should send my psa 1 52 mantle to csg, maybe it'll get a 3

[D. Bergin]

What's worse? A beat up 1952 Willie Mays getting a GD+ grade from CSG.............or a trimmed 1952 Willie Mays getting an 8 from PSA?

Hmmmmmm!

[chadeast]

There was a thread last month talking about CSG, and I posted a few mockups of what could be done with their holder to make it not horrible for vintage cards, because their current holder is clearly not going to work. I was rooting for them.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=288750&page=3

But they clearly need to get their grading in order first or they might as well not bother.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

What's worse? A beat up 1952 Willie Mays getting a GD+ grade from CSG.............or a trimmed 1952 Willie Mays getting an 8 from PSA?

Hmmmmmm!

[Directly]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

What's worse? A beat up 1952 Willie Mays getting a GD+ grade from CSG.............or a trimmed 1952 Willie Mays getting an 8 from PSA

This PSA 4 Cobb appears to have several issues--bent left corner, possible thumb nail imprint across the card, staining ? Would this PSA 4 grade be accurate compared to another PSA 4 Cobb Bat Off with none of those issues ?

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

So much wrong here. CSG has clearly shown they have no interest in grading pre 70's cards, why would anyone sub a card like a 52 Mays to them.

Then why would CSG hire Andy Broome, who was the leading vintage grader at Beckett? That comment makes little sense.

Rich

[sflayank]

Card is a poor 1

[conor912]

I still can’t believe they went with all that blank space on the flip. I realize it’s for subgrades, which is what goes in that space if you want to pony up for them, but I could pen a short story on all that blank white. I can’t think of another word more fitting for the overall eye appeal of that card in that case with that grade than “laughable”.

[ullmandds]

terrible looking flip...looks very unprofessional...and def overgraded.

Yuk!

Seeing as the flips have become the investment...they may be in trouble!!!

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Then why would CSG hire Andy Broome, who was the leading vintage grader at Beckett? That comment makes little sense.

Rich

Great question Rich and one I've been wondering about myself. Why would a company with substantial resources like CSG not take the time to engage focus/marketing/design groups on what is important to vintage collectors if one of their goals was the vintage card market? Hell, they could have flown Leon and a few others out for a nice weekend chat at a swanky resort and had their answer. Which would have been:

"For decades, vintage collectors have been saying they love the thin PSA flip and the SGC black apron, combine those two with honest grading and good customer service and the world is your oyster".

Look at the majority of comments on any CSG thread here from the beginning, "Great flip for modern but overwhelming for vintage". Lime green label the size of a T206? Who made that decision? I'm sure it wasn't Andy but somebody over there did. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to wonder why AH's scan their vintage cards with a black background, it looks better and aesthetics are important, they always have been. And to the minority of vintage collectors that say they don't care what the flip looks like? Well here's what you get, the abomination posted in this thread.

And while I have the utmost respect for Andy and what seems like some good grading technology from CSG, and I'm sure they'll do well in the modern market, their design/marketing teams failed miserably when it comes to vintage collectors. To put so much effort into hiring one of, if not the top notch vintage graders out there and to completely ignore the vintage market is befuddling to me. That flip is designed for the modern market not the vintage market.

So the only conclusion I can surmise is that they have no interest in catering to the vintage collector, and that's okay, just don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. My two cent opinion.

[RL]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Then why would CSG hire Andy Broome, who was the leading vintage grader at Beckett? That comment makes little sense.

Rich

they made an error hiring that guy. and hiring him makes no sense.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RL

they made an error hiring that guy. and hiring him makes no sense.

I disagree. IMO he is the best grader in the industry at detecting fakes and fraudulent cards. I agree that they need to tighten their grading standards to stay competitive. But then again I have know him for over 20 yrs so I am a little biased. I also know some of the other graders in the hobby and to me he is the best one out there right now.

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[RL]

Originally Posted by Leon

I disagree. IMO he is the best grader in the industry at detecting fakes and fraudulent cards. I agree that they need to tighten their grading standards to stay competitive. But then again I have know him for over 20 yrs so I am a little biased. I also know some of the other graders in the hobby and to me he is the best one out there right now.

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Leon, I do value your opinion, especially on vintage cards.

[aro13]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

+1 I can't believe how many four figure cards I see with crappy images and little to no description.

As long as people can read the number on the flip everything else does not seem to matter.