Fixing corners

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Exactly, if PSA does it, it has to be OK.

My point is simply that if I do something to a card which literally leaves no trace that a PSA or SGC can detect, I don't see how that's a problem. It's basically handling the card. I'm not using a marker or a brush or an exacto knife to do something to the corner to alter its original state. I won't go so far as to get into a "Conservation" argument like PWCC did, but issues resulting from handling of cards are something that TPG's should be able to detect. My aim with flipping a corner is not to try to improve a grade, or indeed to try to get any certain grade.

[steve B]

The problem is that pretty much anything gets by PSA and SGC and Beckett.

PSA has so many that got by that should have been obvious that I have to think they either just can't spot even passably competent alterations, or are part of the problem.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by steve B

The problem is that pretty much anything gets by PSA and SGC and Beckett.

I would disagree with that statement in the absence of additional context.

Maybe if you are PWCC or Probstein anything gets by? I know way too many average Joe collectors who routinely get stuff rejected as altered or slabbed "AA" by PSA.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I would disagree with that statement in the absence of additional context.

Maybe if you are PWCC or Probstein anything gets by? I know way too many average Joe collectors who routinely get stuff rejected as altered or slabbed "AA" by PSA.

to see % of cards getting numeric grades vs rejected as well as percentages of numeric grade distribution reported by submitter for the top 50 (by dollar volume) vs. a random sampling of 50 other submitters. Oh sorry, daydreaming for a second.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I would disagree with that statement in the absence of additional context.

Maybe if you are PWCC or Probstein anything gets by? I know way too many average Joe collectors who routinely get stuff rejected as altered or slabbed "AA" by PSA.

Isn't it enough that thousands of altered cards got by them regularly and probably still do?
And if as you think it's "only" PWCC or Probstein, that would mean PSA and at least SGC are complicit. Not exactly a positive thing.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by steve B

Isn't it enough that thousands of altered cards got by them regularly and probably still do?
And if as you think it's "only" PWCC or Probstein, that would mean PSA and at least SGC are complicit. Not exactly a positive thing.

My point was simply that cards are rejected, and labeled "altered" regularly. Are things "getting by" and receiving number grades too? Probably, I don't know. If that is the case I'm sure it is indeed more than just two large well known dealers.

[irv]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

My point was simply that cards are rejected, and labeled "altered" regularly. Are things "getting by" and receiving number grades too? Probably, I don't know. If that is the case I'm sure it is indeed more than just two large well known dealers.

You weren't aware of this? And this is only one thread, 289 pgs worth. There are others.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by irv

You weren't aware of this? And this is only one thread, 289 pgs worth. There are others.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

Oh good grief. I'm totally aware of it. Steve's statement was that "everything" gets by. That's not true. Sorry, I take things literally sometimes.