Fixing corners

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by steve B

The problem is that pretty much anything gets by PSA and SGC and Beckett.

I would disagree with that statement in the absence of additional context.

Maybe if you are PWCC or Probstein anything gets by? I know way too many average Joe collectors who routinely get stuff rejected as altered or slabbed "AA" by PSA.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I would disagree with that statement in the absence of additional context.

Maybe if you are PWCC or Probstein anything gets by? I know way too many average Joe collectors who routinely get stuff rejected as altered or slabbed "AA" by PSA.

to see % of cards getting numeric grades vs rejected as well as percentages of numeric grade distribution reported by submitter for the top 50 (by dollar volume) vs. a random sampling of 50 other submitters. Oh sorry, daydreaming for a second.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I would disagree with that statement in the absence of additional context.

Maybe if you are PWCC or Probstein anything gets by? I know way too many average Joe collectors who routinely get stuff rejected as altered or slabbed "AA" by PSA.

Isn't it enough that thousands of altered cards got by them regularly and probably still do?
And if as you think it's "only" PWCC or Probstein, that would mean PSA and at least SGC are complicit. Not exactly a positive thing.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by steve B

Isn't it enough that thousands of altered cards got by them regularly and probably still do?
And if as you think it's "only" PWCC or Probstein, that would mean PSA and at least SGC are complicit. Not exactly a positive thing.

My point was simply that cards are rejected, and labeled "altered" regularly. Are things "getting by" and receiving number grades too? Probably, I don't know. If that is the case I'm sure it is indeed more than just two large well known dealers.

[irv]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

My point was simply that cards are rejected, and labeled "altered" regularly. Are things "getting by" and receiving number grades too? Probably, I don't know. If that is the case I'm sure it is indeed more than just two large well known dealers.

You weren't aware of this? And this is only one thread, 289 pgs worth. There are others.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by irv

You weren't aware of this? And this is only one thread, 289 pgs worth. There are others.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

Oh good grief. I'm totally aware of it. Steve's statement was that "everything" gets by. That's not true. Sorry, I take things literally sometimes.

[steve B]

Ok, maybe some stuff gets rejected. But so much that's obvious doesn't.
The Dover reprint cracker jack that didn't even have the perforations trimmed off.... (And isn't on cardstock that's even close. )

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by steve B

Ok, maybe some stuff gets rejected. But so much that's obvious doesn't.
The Dover reprint cracker jack that didn't even have the perforations trimmed off.... (And isn't on cardstock that's even close. )

I would have to think PSA grading a Dover reprint is an extreme anomaly, best case. But I don't doubt that it's happened. I saw a thread a while back about a fake '67 Topps Seaver RC that Beckett graded, I think as a 7 or 8. It was a good fake, but the color on the back was wrong, and there were light smudges to the facsimile signatures which are not present on real cards.

I am not missing your point, Steve. Slabgate, whatever you want to call it was a huge black eye on the hobby. I have no doubt that there are all kinds of altered cards still residing in numbered slabs today. It's really sad.