I have NEVER understood why MODERN cards do this!!!

[Seven]

I absolutely hate it. It's taking priceless vintage artifacts and cutting them up in a way just to make more of a buck off of them. I know there's this one set of products that actually cuts down a letter from Ty Cobb or Babe Ruth and then sells the cut up pieces in boxes, and you have to hope the box you buy contains the cut signature. It's a disgrace.

[luciobar1980]

And the sig is cut off.

[doug.goodman]

There is another thread about a "Thurman Mun" card...

[GasHouseGang]

This was posted in the autograph section of the board. This went for $7995 in a recent Goldin auction and half of the signature is cut off. Here's the link:
https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail...entoryid=71142


Sorry Doug, I guess we were typing in the info at the same time.

[Butch7999]

Easy to understand why the card companies do this stuff.
What's impossible for us to understand is why anyone buys this stuff.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Sorry Doug, I guess we were typing in the info at the same time.

No worries, that might be my favorite modern card

As I posted in the other thread :

Conversation overheard in Topps office :

Person in charge of One of One cards : Let's do a Munson.

Person tasked with finding an autograph to use : I can't find one small enough to fit on the card.

Person in charge : So what, people who buy this shit will buy anything, just cut off the end.

Doug "oops, I cut off my end" Good

[Bill77]

How about a chance for a signed picture of Harmon Killebrew's elbows.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Leaf-C...sAAOSwlxFfwm2v

Or Will Smith's Shoulder. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Leaf-E...8AAOSwVFNf~1rn

I don't get why they would bother doing cut signatures of living people. Why not just have them sign an actual card.

[chlankf]

Originally Posted by Seven

I absolutely hate it. It's taking priceless vintage artifacts and cutting them up in a way just to make more of a buck off of them. I know there's this one set of products that actually cuts down a letter from Ty Cobb or Babe Ruth and then sells the cut up pieces in boxes, and you have to hope the box you buy contains the cut signature. It's a disgrace.

And the prices of the unopened boxes are crazy expensive. I keep wondering who would buy a card with a cut of a letter such as "some time" from a Cobb penned letter. Destructive practice. It no different than looting of archaeological sites. An item is found, sold into private hands and disappears from history. Only difference is now these wonderful, personal fragments of our pastime's heroes are ruthlessly destroyed for a huge profit. Angry Craig. Breathe.... Namaste...

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by chlankf

I keep wondering who would buy a card with a cut of a letter such as "some time" from a Cobb penned letter.

I recall seeing auctions where the offering was individual words clipped from documents handwritten by George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. If memory serves me right, in these cases the documents were surveyors' and legal documents that, in and of themselves, were not historically significant.

In those instances I didn't see anything wrong with it, because "no historical documents were harmed in making this movie," as it were, and it allowed collectors on smaller budgets the opportunity to own something in Washington's and Lincoln's handwriting.

[Exhibitman]

I've never been shocked or outraged by a cut card. If done nicely, an autograph card or jersey can be a great addition to your collection. I met Eric Idle once and had him sign the back of my business card. I then commissioned it to be turned into a card and I am really pleased with the outcome:



Seems to me that the card should be tailored to the signature, not vice versa.

As for wardrobe cards, I do appreciate the 'democratizing' effect of them. I don't take pleasure knowing that some rich guy has a piece of clothing in his den: honestly, who cares? I know I will never, ever own a Bruce Lee 'gamer' so I was pleased to get something I could actually own:



I also bought one of those Lefty O'Doul jersey booklet cards that Panini made. I get to have a piece of a Lefty O'Doul uniform that I would never otherwise own.

Unfortunately, most of the cut cards the manufacturer makes are lazy efforts to cram a cut into a misshapen opening. They rarely work out as well as they should.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I've never been shocked or outraged by a cut card. If done nicely, an autograph card or jersey can be a great addition to your collection. I met Eric Idle once and had him sign the back of my business card. I then commissioned it to be turned into a card and I am really pleased with the outcome:



Seems to me that the card should be tailored to the signature, not vice versa.

As for wardrobe cards, I do appreciate the 'democratizing' effect of them. I don't take pleasure knowing that some rich guy has a piece of clothing in his den: honestly, who cares? I know I will never, ever own a Bruce Lee 'gamer' so I was pleased to get something I could actually own:



I also bought one of those Lefty O'Doul jersey booklet cards that Panini made. I get to have a piece of a Lefty O'Doul uniform that I would never otherwise own.

Unfortunately, most of the cut cards the manufacturer makes are lazy efforts to cram a cut into a misshapen opening. They rarely work out as well as they should.

I bought a Kluzsewski booklet, auto and bat relic. It is nice. They display well. But for every good one, it seems there is also a poorly made one. I just always imagined these would be handmade with pride. But with every bad one, it appears there made without pride.

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[Tao_Moko]

This has been done with relics for much longer. Religious, fossil, meteorite, and plenty of other historical artifacts like flags, uniforms and documents. Preservation has always been secondary to maximizing revenue. This isn't going away and will likely only get worse.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

This has been done with relics for much longer. Religious, fossil, meteorite, and plenty of other historical artifacts like flags, uniforms and documents. Preservation has always been secondary to maximizing revenue. This isn't going away and will likely only get worse.

I hadn't considered that, but now that you mention it, that is correct. Relics of the Buddha and Christ are supposedly divided up between multiple locations. My college had a single page of an authentic Guttenberg Bible. I must say though, I haven't thought about fossils divided like that. Are you just talking about large fossil plates divided up and sold to maximize value. Or are you talking about famous individual finds - like a single T-rex?

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[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

This has been done with relics for much longer. Religious, fossil, meteorite, and plenty of other historical artifacts like flags, uniforms and documents. Preservation has always been secondary to maximizing revenue. This isn't going away and will likely only get worse.

That makes sense. I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormon) and the first 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon is one of America's most expensive books - selling for around 80K last I checked. A couple years ago an independent seller
bought a copy for around 40K and was selling 530ish individual pages for $200/per. I'm not sure how it went but sadly a common practice among all interests. Pages with "key passages" were sold anywhere from $500-1500.

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

This has been done with relics for much longer. Religious, fossil, meteorite, and plenty of other historical artifacts like flags, uniforms and documents. Preservation has always been secondary to maximizing revenue. This isn't going away and will likely only get worse.

[chlankf]

Originally Posted by Seven

I absolutely hate it. It's taking priceless vintage artifacts and cutting them up in a way just to make more of a buck off of them. I know there's this one set of products that actually cuts down a letter from Ty Cobb or Babe Ruth and then sells the cut up pieces in boxes, and you have to hope the box you buy contains the cut signature. It's a disgrace.

And the prices of the unopened boxes are crazy expensive. I keep wondering who would buy a card with a cut of a letter such as "some time" from a Cobb penned letter. Destructive practice. It no different than looting of archaeological sites. An item is found, sold into private hands and disappears from history. Only difference is now these wonderful, personal fragments of our pastime's heroes are ruthlessly destroyed for a huge profit. Angry Craig. Breathe.... Namaste...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324453091507

[conor912]

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