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12-16-2020, 12:34 PM
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Wow! Gonna be a statistician's dream (or nightmare, maybe). Will be interesting to see how this affects the Hall. Since they've already had two or three dedicated Negro League committees to consider and evaluate prospective nominees, I wonder? Might need to prepare my bank balance!??
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12-16-2020, 12:41 PM
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Here's a great place to start:
http://www.seamheads.com/NegroLgs/index.php Bryant Gumbel had a really cool segment on this recently. The guy that put this together did a lot of research.
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12-16-2020, 12:49 PM
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Possible major shakeup of stats. Here's a paragraph from MLB.com:
Less clear at this stage, pending the discussions between MLB and Elias, is how rate statistics such as batting average or slugging percentage will be classified. For instance, Gibson (.365), Jud Wilson (.359), Charleston (.350) and Turkey Stearnes (.348) all had at least 3,000 career plate appearances and batting averages that would rank in the top 10 all-time, according to the Seamheads database. Their inclusion on that particular list would push the legendary likes of Ted Williams (.344) and Babe Ruth (.342) out of the top 10.
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12-16-2020, 12:59 PM
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That will be a mess statswise.
My understanding has been that some of the competition was Major league, but some wasn't. I don't know what stats are counted and what aren't. Are all the stats even known? It's good to see the league get that recognition though.
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12-16-2020, 01:40 PM
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There are a lot of missing stats. Not sure how anyone could quantify what is available. Should stats against lesser rated teams be considered as minor league stats and not considered? This is going to be a mess.
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12-16-2020, 01:48 PM
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Regarding stat comparisons. We can't even come to agreement on the 'statistical correctness' for comparison of players among various eras within the same league. So I have no doubt they will be able to reconcile this to everyone's satisfaction when they do this between 2 different leagues.
 Should the Negro Leagues be considered a Major League? Most definitely. But comparing stats is a fool's errand.
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06-16-2021, 11:49 AM
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06-16-2021, 01:27 PM
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I think BBREF should atleast have filters to toggle whether or not we can see the NBL stats. I mean zero disrespect to any of the NBL players, as I can only imagine the hardships they went through, nor am I questioning their talent, but having Vargas leapfrog so many players is a tad ridiculous especially considering how much shorter the single season was.
Are we counting Japanese stats next? Is Oh going to be considered the Home Run King over Bonds?
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06-18-2021, 07:55 PM
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What I'd previously read about the negro leagues was that the stats known at the time (which was admittedly quite some time ago) included known stats from barnstorming games against random town teams. It seems things have improved a lot, and the known stats have been limited to games against league competition, which makes it nearly identical to some 19th century stuff. It will take a lot of getting used to.
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