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[tedzan]

Hey guys, anyone here care to light-up a 110 year old cigarette


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In 2005, when I broke up the 2nd T206 set, my American Beauty 460 card of Zach Wheat got me interested. Also, since Green ink T206 backs appeal to me,
I thought it would be fun to do an AB 460 run. Little did I know that this adventure would be quite a challenge.

American Litho printed exactly 74 subjects with this T-brand. I have listed these cards in order of their scarcity.
Relatively speaking, this first group of 12 subjects are the easiest to find. The other 62 subjects vary in degree
of difficulty.



460-only Series..... Exclusive 12 (not too tough)

Crandall (cap)
Devore
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Hummel
McGraw (glove at hip)
Pfeffer
Sheckard (glove)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Wheat

460-only Series...... 34 subjects (quite tough)

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head) *
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat) *
Chase (trophy) *
Larry Doyle (portrait) *
Frill
Herzog (Boston) *
Howell (hand at waist)
Lake, St. Louis (ball)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap) *
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)

Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait) *
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tinker (bat on shoulder) *
Wiltse (portrait-cap) *

350/460 Series...... 28 subjects (toughest)

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder) *
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat) *
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat) *
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat) *
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky) *
Pelty (vertical) *
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Boston & Chicago)

Steinfeldt (bat)*
Tinker (bat off shoulder)*
Wagner (bat on right) *
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat) *
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)

* denotes especially tough to find.


The bottom line is....15 years later, I have 73 of these cards; and, I still need the Camnitz (hands over head). Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set is relatively easy to complete (with the exception of Eddie Plank and Wagner cards).






150-only Series................... 14 subjects confirmed.

Ames (hands at chest)
M. Brown (Cubs)
G. Browne (Chicago Nat'L)
Burch (batting)
Donlin (fielding)
L. Doyle (throwing)
Evers (Cubs-batting)
Pattee (horizontal)
Pelty (horizontal)
Plank
Powers.......................... Replaced Plank
Reulbach (glove)
Schulte (front view)........ Replaced Wagner
Honus Wagner

I received an email from a Net54 "reader" (one who doesn't post) regarding my Powers and Schulte notations in the 150-only Series list.

This is the explanation of my theory regarding these two subjects......

Doc Powers....
American Litho (ALC) chose Powers (Plank's preferred battery mate) to replace Plank when ALC ceased printing Plank in their press runs.
Then when Powers passed away from an untimely death (April 1909), ALC removed him from their 150 Series printing plates.


Frank Schulte....
As far as I can tell, Schulte is strictly a 150-only subject. Yes, there exists one unique PIEDMONT 350 card of him; however, I consider it
a printing anomaly. If this subject is found with an EPDG back, then it could be considered an Elite 11 subject. But, until then (if ever), it
remains as a 150-only guy. So, why do I think Schulte replaced Honus Wagner ?
ALC's printing press was designed to print 12 cards across their printed sheet.


TED Z

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[Cmvorce]

Ted, This is amazing. Thank you so much for posting.

[RayBShotz]

Ted - Your passion alone makes T206 cards worth owning.
I'm back revisting the set again for a 3rd time.
These threads certainly stoke the fire.
RayB

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I received an email from a Net54 "reader" (one who doesn't post) regarding my Powers and Schulte notations in the 150-only Series list.

This is the explanation of my theory regarding these two subjects......

Doc Powers....
American Litho (ALC) chose Powers (Plank's preferred battery mate) to replace Plank when ALC ceased printing Plank in their press runs.
Then when Powers passed away from an untimely death (April 1909), ALC removed him from their 150 Series printing plates.


Frank Schulte....
As far as I can tell, Schulte is strictly a 150-only subject. Yes, there exists one unique PIEDMONT 350 card of him; however, I consider it
a printing anomaly. If this subject is found with an EPDG back, then it could be considered an Elite 11 subject. But, until then (if ever), it
remains as a 150-only guy. So, why do I think Schulte replaced Honus Wagner ?
ALC's printing press was designed to print 12 cards across their printed sheet.


TED Z

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Ted, the numbers don't support Schulte replacing Wagner. A high percent of Wagner's are SC150/25 and Schulte isn't one of the tougher subjects with that back which would be the
case if he replaced Wagner. For example HOF's Chance and Mordecai Brown portrait are tougher with a SC150/25 back than Schulte.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted, the numbers don't support Schulte replacing Wagner. A high percent of Wagner's are SC150/25 and Schulte isn't one of the tougher subjects with that back which would be the
case if he replaced Wagner. For example HOF's Chance and Mordecai Brown portrait are tougher with a SC150/25 back than Schulte.

I'm trying to understand your point here, Pat. However, I don't get why you are comparing SC 150/25 cards of Brown (portrait) and Chance (portrait) with Wagner.
Or a possible printing plate replacement of Wagner with Schulte. You are comparing 150/350 series subjects with 150-only series subjects, respectively.
This isn't a valid comparison. The 150-only series cards were short-printed relative to the 150/350 series cards.

Please elaborate further on this.

Thanks,


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I'm trying to understand your point here, Pat. However, I don't get why you are comparing SC 150/25 cards of Brown (portrait) and Chance (portrait) with Wagner.
Or a possible printing plate replacement of Wagner with Schulte. You are comparing 150/350 series subjects with 150-only series subjects, respectively.
This isn't a valid comparison. The 150-only series cards were short-printed relative to the 150/350 series cards.

Please elaborate further on this.

Thanks,


TED Z

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If Schulte replaced Wagner on a sheet that would mean he would have split the printing time on the sheets with Wagner so in comparing the SC150/25's
numbers Schulte's numbers should be lower than all the others including 150/350 subjects. I just used the Brown and Chance portraits as an example
because they are hall of famers and their numbers are lower much lower in fact for Brown.

If you want to compare 150 only subjects with SC150/25 backs here are their
numbers

Ames - 13
G. Brown - 12
M. Brown - 13
Burch - 15
Donlin - 9
Doyle - 16
Evers - 15
Pattee - 14
Pelty - 11
Powers - 8
Reulbach - 9
Schulte - 13

150/350

M. Brown portrait - 6
Cance red portrait - 10

We know Powers wasn't on the same Piedmont 150 sheet as the other
150 only subjects and he's the only SC649 subject in the group so he
most likely wasn't on any of the other sheets with them.

[tedzan]

Pat

Here's looking at the bigger picture of this series............ Powers and Schulte fit into this pattern very well.

150-only----HINDU----SOV----SC25----SC30----PD

Ames ------------ 7 ------ 12 ----- 13 ------ 33 ----- 118

G. Brown ------- 14 ------ 10 ----- 12 ------ 44 ----- 189

M. Brown -------- 8 ------ 15 ----- 13 ------ 51 ----- 269 HOF

Burch ------------ 8 ------ 17 ----- 15 ------ 27 ----- 163

Donlin ---------- 10 ------- 9 ------- 9 ------ 55 ----- 178

Doyle ----------- 13 ------- 8 ------ 16 ------ 27 ---- 155

Evers ----------- 11 ------ 10 ------ 15 ----- 47 ----- 222 HOF

Pattee ----------- 9 ------- 11 ----- 14 ------ 37 ----- 182

Pelty ------------- 8 ------- 11 ----- 11 ------ 38 ----- 173

Powers ---------- 9 -------- 11 ------ 8 ------ 23 ----- 181

Reulbach -------- 9 --------- 9 ------ 9 ------ 30 ----- 170

Schulte --------- 10 -------- 7 ----- 13 ------ 35 ----- 160


Footnote....the above numbers are from PSA pop report data.
Comparing this data with the SGC pop report data, the pattern
coincides very closely. The magnitude of the SGC numbers are
slightly lower.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Ted,

I'm not saying Schulte doesn't fit in with most of that group I just don't think he replaced Wagner.

Here's the plate scratch sheet they were all on with the exception of Wagner, Plank (I don't consider Plank a 150 only) and Powers.

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and here's the sheet that powers is on

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