Ashamed - Topps T206 Buy Back Fraud

[Pat R]

I was wondering how long it would be before someone started putting fakes
in these. The seller kind of skirts around the fact that it's a fake.

Cobb buyback fake.jpg
Cobb buyback fake back.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T20...gAAOSwZzNfphkZ

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I was wondering how long it would be before someone started putting fakes
in these. The seller kind of skirts around the fact that it's a fake.

Ha Yeah, saw that in my searches. Could send it to PSA and they would probably grade it a 9 with those corners.

[swarmee]

Marked "AS-IS", no returns, and Unknown for Original/Replica. Still wouldn't get them out of an INAD case because they list it as a 1909-1911 card. I reported it for being counterfeit. Enough reports and they'll take it down.

But yes, it's a less obvious reprint/counterfeit than the last two outed in PSA slabs...

[Rich Klein]

IIRC: The issue with grading any of these cards is you are grading the modern card NOT the card within the holder.

We're going to assume for a second that all the cards in those holders are what they are supposed to be. (So this does not apply to the Cobb example a couple of posts ago)

So, if you have a "9" because the card was issued in 2002 in that way and the modern card looks good it is a "9"

The issue is, the card inside may be a 3 or a 4 but you are grading the modern card. I don't think any of the grading companies yet have devised a way to break that down, simply because -- well to properly grade the card WITHIN the holder you kind of, sort of, have to break it out of the holder and then re-insert it and what if something goes wrong during that process.

So. I don't know the answer but an 9 may be a legit 9 but not for what is inside. Also thankfully this process is not very common but if it ever became more common, then all the TPG's would have to think carefully about what to do.

Rich

[swarmee]

Beckett would grade the card inside the holder. For example:

1909-11 T206 - [Base] - Piedmont 350 Back 2002 Topps 206 Framed Buyback #FROB - Frank Oberlin [BVG*3.5*VERY*GOOD+]
Courtesy of COMC.com

[Snapolit1]

How about you selling a PSA 9 in one of those ancient PSA slabs and strongly suspect that the card wouldn’t get a 9 today. Hell it could be a 7 today. Do you need to comment on that? I’d say no. As it’s only my opinion and not a fact. I’ve been wrong before on grading. Might be wrong here.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

How about you selling a PSA 9 in one of those ancient PSA slabs and strongly suspect that the card wouldn’t get a 9 today. Hell it could be a 7 today. Do you need to comment on that? I’d say no. As it’s only my opinion and not a fact. I’ve been wrong before on grading. Might be wrong here.

I don't think you need to. Personally I do and always have.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Beckett would grade the card inside the holder. For example:

1909-11 T206 - [Base] - Piedmont 350 Back 2002 Topps 206 Framed Buyback #FROB - Frank Oberlin [BVG*3.5*VERY*GOOD+]
Courtesy of COMC.com

I think that eventually got changed to the way you posted which is better. But still, a really tough question for all concerned.