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[tedzan]

These T206's are samples of some of the nicer SOVEREIGN star cards in my set


The basic All - SOVEREIGN set comprises of 402 different T206 subjects. A complete SOVEREIGN master set comprises of 476 cards.
Listed here is the complete master set checklist......


150-only Series.................. 12 subjects confirmed.

Ames (hands at chest)
M. Brown (Cubs)
G. Browne (Chicago Nat'L)
Burch (batting)
Donlin (fielding)
L. Doyle (throwing)
Evers (Cubs-batting)
Pattee (horizontal)
Pelty (horizontal)
Powers
Reulbach (glove)
Schulte (with bat)


150/350 Series................... 138 confirmed with "150 SUBJECTS" backs

Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ball (New York)
Bates
Beaumont
Bell (hands over head)
Bender (portrait)
Bergen (bat)
Birmingham
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bransfield
Bridwell (portrait-no cap)
Bresnahan (portrait)
M. Brown (portrait)
Camnitz (arms folded)
Chance (red portrait)
Chase (pink portrait)
Chase (white cap)

Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (portrait)
Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (green)
Cobb (bat on shoulder)
Conroy (fielding)
Coveleski
Crandall (no cap)
Criger
Criss
Dahlen (Boston Nat'L)
George Davis (Chicago)
Harry Davis (A's)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Donlin (seated)
Donohue
Donovan (portrait)

Dooin
Doolin
Dougherty (portrait)
Durham
Elberfeld (New York Amer.)
Evers (portrait)
Ewing
Ferris
Flick
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Griffith (portrait)
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York Nat'L)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Isbell
Jacklitsch

Johnson (portrait)
F. Jones (portrait)
F. Jones (hands at hips)
T. Jones (St Louis Amer.)
Jordan (portrait)
Joss (portrait)
Karger
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Killian (pitching)
Kleinow (bat)
Kling
Konetchy (glove high)
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Leifield (pitching)
Liebhardt
Lindaman

Lobert
Lumley
Magee (portrait)
Manning (bat)
Marquard (hands at side)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (white cap)
McGraw (portrait-no cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (portrait)
Mullin (horizontal)
Murphy (horizontal)
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Niles
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
Overall (portrait)
Owen

Parent
Pastorius
Powell
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Schaefer (Detroit)
Schlei (catching)
Schmidt (throwing)
Seymour (bat)
Shaw (St Louis Nat'L)
Sheckard (no glove)
Shipke
F. Smith (Chicago)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (no glove
Steinfeldt (portrait)
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Sullivan

L Tannehill (Chicago)
Tenney
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands on knees)
Turner
Waddell (portrait)
Waddell (throwing)
Wagner (bat on left)
Wallace
Walsh
Weimer
Doc White (portrait)
Wilhelm (hands at chest)
Williams
Willis (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-no cap)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)


150/350 Series................... 70 confirmed with "350 SUBJECTS" backs

Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Ames (portrait)
Bell (hands over head)
Bender (portrait)
Birmingham
Bridwell (portrait-no cap)
Bresnahan (portrait)
M. Brown (portrait)
Camnitz (arms folded)
Cicotte
Cobb (bat on shoulder)
Crawford (throwing)
Criger
Criss
Devlin
Donlin (seated)
Donohue
Dooin
Dougherty (portrait)
Elberfeld (New York Amer.)

Ferris
Flick
Goode
Griffith (portrait)
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jennings (portrait)
Johnson (portrait)
F. Jones (portrait)
F. Jones (hands at hips)
Joss (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kleinow (bat)
Kling
Lajoie (portrait)
Leifield (pitching)
Liebhardt
Manning (bat)
Mathewson (portrait)
McGraw (portrait-no cap)

McGraw (pointing)
Merkle (portrait)
Murphy (horizontal)
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Niles
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
Parent
Seymour (bat)
Shaw (St Louis Nat'L)
Sheckard (no glove)
Shipke
F. Smith (Chicago)
Stahl (no glove
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Sullivan
Tenney
Tinker (hands on knees)
Turner

Waddell (portrait)
Waddell (throwing)
Wallace
Walsh
Weimer
Doc White (portrait)
Willis (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-no cap)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)


SOVEREIGN 350-only Series....... 138 confirmed subjects

Abbott
Anderson
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milw)
Batch
Beck
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Brain
Browne (Washington)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Byrne

Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chappelle
Clancy
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert

Easterly
Egan
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fromme
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)

Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands/mouth)
Hulswitt
Jackson
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
McCormick

McGann
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mowrey
Myers (fielding)
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Hara (NY Nat'L)
O'Neill

Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rossman
Schmidt (portrait)
Scott
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Speaker

Stanage
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman


"350/460 Series"....................... 66 subjects (apple green backs)

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle

Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (New York Amer.)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)

Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)

Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series........................ 46 subjects confirmed

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Duffy
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist)

Hummel
Lake, St. Louis (ball)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


The Six Super-Prints were printed with both SOVEREIGN 350 and SOVEREIGN 460 backs.

Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Mathewson (dark cap)

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

This SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set is relatively easy to complete (with the exception of Eddie Plank and Wagner cards).
It took me less than 2 years to put together a 467-card set. But, it took me about 10 years to acquire the Eddie Plank card.
And of course, this set is complete as far as I'm concerned (as it will remain Wagner-less)


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150-only Series................... 14 subjects confirmed.

Ames (hands at chest)
M. Brown (Cubs)
G. Browne (Chicago Nat'L)
Burch (batting)
Donlin (fielding)
L. Doyle (throwing)
Evers (Cubs-batting)
Pattee (horizontal)
Pelty (horizontal)
Plank
Powers.......................... Replaced Plank
Reulbach (glove)
Schulte (front view)........ Replaced Wagner
Honus Wagner


150/350Series................... 139 confirmed with "150 SUBJECTS" backs

Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ball (New York)
Bates
Beaumont
Bell (hands over head)
Bender (portrait)
Bergen (bat)
Birmingham
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bransfield
Bridwell (portrait-no cap)
Bresnahan (portrait)
M. Brown (portrait)
Camnitz (arms folded)
Chance (red portrait)
Chase (pink portrait)
Chase (white cap)

Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (portrait)
Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (green)
Cobb (bat on shoulder)
Conroy (fielding)
Coveleski
Crandall (no cap)
Crawford (throwing)
Criger
Criss
Dahlen (Boston Nat'L)
George Davis (Chicago)
Harry Davis (A's)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Donlin (seated)
Donohue

Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolin
Dougherty (portrait)
Durham
Elberfeld (New York Amer.)
Evers (portrait)
Ewing
Ferris
Flick
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Griffith (portrait)
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York Nat'L)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Isbell

Jacklitsch
Johnson (portrait)
F. Jones (portrait)
F. Jones (hands at hips)
T. Jones (St Louis Amer.)
Jordan (portrait)
Joss (portrait)
Karger
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Killian (pitching)
Kleinow (bat)
Kling
Konetchy (glove high)
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Leifield (pitching)
Liebhardt

Lindaman
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (portrait)
Manning (bat)
Marquard (hands at side)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (white cap)
McGraw (portrait-no cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (portrait)
Mullin (horizontal)
Murphy (horizontal)
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Niles
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
Overall (portrait)

Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Powell
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Schaefer (Detroit)
Schlei (catching)
Schmidt (throwing)
Seymour (bat)
Shaw (St Louis Nat'L)
Sheckard (no glove)
Shipke
F. Smith (Chicago)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (no glove
Steinfeldt (portrait)
Stone
Stovall (portrait)

Sullivan
L Tannehill (Chicago)
Tenney
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands on knees)
Turner
Waddell (portrait)
Waddell (throwing)
Wagner (bat on left)
Wallace
Walsh
Weimer
Doc White (portrait)
Wilhelm (hands at chest)
Williams
Willis (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-no cap)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)






350 Series.............. 270 confirmed subjects

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Ames (hands over head)
Anderson
Arrellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Baker
Barbeau
Barger
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milw)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bender (no trees)

Berger
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Browne (Washington)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Byrne
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan

Casey
Cassidy
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins, Eddie
Collins, Jimmy
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Cravath
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Cross

Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davidson
Davis (A's)
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (N.Y. American)
Dessau
Dineen
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Doolan (bat)
Dorner
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (fielding)
Downey (bat)
Downs
Joe Doyle (N.Y.)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)

Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington)
Elberfeld (fielding)
Engle
Evans
Evers (Chicago-bat)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)

Gray
Griffith (bat)
Grimshaw
Groom
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands/mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter

Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
D. Jones (Detroit)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York Amer.)
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger

Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Magee (bat)
Malarkey
Maloney
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern

McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGann
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
McLean
McQuillan (bat)
Merritt
Milan
Miller
Milliigan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)

Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mowrey
Mullen
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Myers (bat)
Nattress
Nichols (bat)
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Hara (NY Nat'L)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
O'Neill
Overall (yellow sky)
Paskert
Pelty (vertical)

Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rossman

Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Seymour (throwing)
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Frank Smith (white cap)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Snodgrass (catching)
Speaker
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Starr

Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Street (catching)
Summers
Bill Sweeney (Boston)
Jeff Sweeney (New York)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann
Thomas
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Titus
Unglaub
Wagner (bat on right)
Warhop
Doc White (pitching)
Jack White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (bat)

Willett
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)
Wilson
Wiltse (pitching)
Wright
Cy Young (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman






460 Series....................... 46 subjects confirmed

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Duffy
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist)

Hummel
Lake, St. Louis (ball)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Hey guys, anyone here care to light-up a 110 year old cigarette


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In 2005, when I broke up the 2nd T206 set, my American Beauty 460 card of Zach Wheat got me interested. Also, since Green ink T206 backs appeal to me,
I thought it would be fun to do an AB 460 run. Little did I know that this adventure would be quite a challenge.

American Litho printed exactly 74 subjects with this T-brand. I have listed these cards in order of their scarcity.
Relatively speaking, this first group of 12 subjects are the easiest to find. The other 62 subjects vary in degree
of difficulty.



460-only Series..... Exclusive 12 (not too tough)

Crandall (cap)
Devore
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Hummel
McGraw (glove at hip)
Pfeffer
Sheckard (glove)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Wheat

460-only Series...... 34 subjects (quite tough)

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head) *
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat) *
Chase (trophy) *
Larry Doyle (portrait) *
Frill
Herzog (Boston) *
Howell (hand at waist)
Lake, St. Louis (ball)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap) *
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)

Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait) *
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tinker (bat on shoulder) *
Wiltse (portrait-cap) *

350/460 Series...... 28 subjects (toughest)

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder) *
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat) *
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat) *
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat) *
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky) *
Pelty (vertical) *
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Boston & Chicago)

Steinfeldt (bat)*
Tinker (bat off shoulder)*
Wagner (bat on right) *
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat) *
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)

* denotes especially tough to find.


The bottom line is....15 years later, I have 73 of these cards; and, I still need the Camnitz (hands over head). Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set is relatively easy to complete (with the exception of Eddie Plank and Wagner cards).






150-only Series................... 14 subjects confirmed.

Ames (hands at chest)
M. Brown (Cubs)
G. Browne (Chicago Nat'L)
Burch (batting)
Donlin (fielding)
L. Doyle (throwing)
Evers (Cubs-batting)
Pattee (horizontal)
Pelty (horizontal)
Plank
Powers.......................... Replaced Plank
Reulbach (glove)
Schulte (front view)........ Replaced Wagner
Honus Wagner

I received an email from a Net54 "reader" (one who doesn't post) regarding my Powers and Schulte notations in the 150-only Series list.

This is the explanation of my theory regarding these two subjects......

Doc Powers....
American Litho (ALC) chose Powers (Plank's preferred battery mate) to replace Plank when ALC ceased printing Plank in their press runs.
Then when Powers passed away from an untimely death (April 1909), ALC removed him from their 150 Series printing plates.


Frank Schulte....
As far as I can tell, Schulte is strictly a 150-only subject. Yes, there exists one unique PIEDMONT 350 card of him; however, I consider it
a printing anomaly. If this subject is found with an EPDG back, then it could be considered an Elite 11 subject. But, until then (if ever), it
remains as a 150-only guy. So, why do I think Schulte replaced Honus Wagner ?
ALC's printing press was designed to print 12 cards across their printed sheet.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Cmvorce]

Ted, This is amazing. Thank you so much for posting.

[RayBShotz]

Ted - Your passion alone makes T206 cards worth owning.
I'm back revisting the set again for a 3rd time.
These threads certainly stoke the fire.
RayB

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I received an email from a Net54 "reader" (one who doesn't post) regarding my Powers and Schulte notations in the 150-only Series list.

This is the explanation of my theory regarding these two subjects......

Doc Powers....
American Litho (ALC) chose Powers (Plank's preferred battery mate) to replace Plank when ALC ceased printing Plank in their press runs.
Then when Powers passed away from an untimely death (April 1909), ALC removed him from their 150 Series printing plates.


Frank Schulte....
As far as I can tell, Schulte is strictly a 150-only subject. Yes, there exists one unique PIEDMONT 350 card of him; however, I consider it
a printing anomaly. If this subject is found with an EPDG back, then it could be considered an Elite 11 subject. But, until then (if ever), it
remains as a 150-only guy. So, why do I think Schulte replaced Honus Wagner ?
ALC's printing press was designed to print 12 cards across their printed sheet.


TED Z

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Ted, the numbers don't support Schulte replacing Wagner. A high percent of Wagner's are SC150/25 and Schulte isn't one of the tougher subjects with that back which would be the
case if he replaced Wagner. For example HOF's Chance and Mordecai Brown portrait are tougher with a SC150/25 back than Schulte.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted, the numbers don't support Schulte replacing Wagner. A high percent of Wagner's are SC150/25 and Schulte isn't one of the tougher subjects with that back which would be the
case if he replaced Wagner. For example HOF's Chance and Mordecai Brown portrait are tougher with a SC150/25 back than Schulte.

I'm trying to understand your point here, Pat. However, I don't get why you are comparing SC 150/25 cards of Brown (portrait) and Chance (portrait) with Wagner.
Or a possible printing plate replacement of Wagner with Schulte. You are comparing 150/350 series subjects with 150-only series subjects, respectively.
This isn't a valid comparison. The 150-only series cards were short-printed relative to the 150/350 series cards.

Please elaborate further on this.

Thanks,


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I'm trying to understand your point here, Pat. However, I don't get why you are comparing SC 150/25 cards of Brown (portrait) and Chance (portrait) with Wagner.
Or a possible printing plate replacement of Wagner with Schulte. You are comparing 150/350 series subjects with 150-only series subjects, respectively.
This isn't a valid comparison. The 150-only series cards were short-printed relative to the 150/350 series cards.

Please elaborate further on this.

Thanks,


TED Z

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If Schulte replaced Wagner on a sheet that would mean he would have split the printing time on the sheets with Wagner so in comparing the SC150/25's
numbers Schulte's numbers should be lower than all the others including 150/350 subjects. I just used the Brown and Chance portraits as an example
because they are hall of famers and their numbers are lower much lower in fact for Brown.

If you want to compare 150 only subjects with SC150/25 backs here are their
numbers

Ames - 13
G. Brown - 12
M. Brown - 13
Burch - 15
Donlin - 9
Doyle - 16
Evers - 15
Pattee - 14
Pelty - 11
Powers - 8
Reulbach - 9
Schulte - 13

150/350

M. Brown portrait - 6
Cance red portrait - 10

We know Powers wasn't on the same Piedmont 150 sheet as the other
150 only subjects and he's the only SC649 subject in the group so he
most likely wasn't on any of the other sheets with them.