Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

I'm not sure I've seen where these grading companies say they are right...?
They are selling opinions, not facts.

I'm with you on what you wrote last, but don't believe in this country any longer.
There are now two sets of facts to explain daily life in America, and being a facts guy this just doesn't compute for me. When my kids are done High School I'm moving somewhere, probably back to Australia.

My cards go with me, so one day there will be an awesome Auction that announces a 'find' in Australia LOL.....bid strong, the cards are all hand picked to be accurately represented and my kids could use the cash.

Where in Australia? My favorite place is Palm Cove in QLD. My wife and I were married at Balmoral Park in North Sydney.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Where in Australia? My favorite place is Palm Cove in QLD. My wife and I were married at Balmoral Park in North Sydney.

Oh mate, Palm Cove is unbeliebably beautiful.....AND HOT.
I'm jealous, that's absolute G_d's country. Too many crocs these days up North so can't take the kids and let them run around, serious problem as these prehistoric monsters swim out to sea and then 16ft of chomp turns up in the shallows of the beach.

I'm a Melbourne boy but love Sydney too.
Probably end up back where I have most family and friends.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Oh mate, Palm Cove is unbeliebably beautiful.....AND HOT.
I'm jealous, that's absolute G_d's country. Too many crocs these days up North so can't take the kids and let them run around, serious problem as these prehistoric monsters swim out to sea and then 16ft of chomp turns up in the shallows of the beach.

I'm a Melbourne boy but love Sydney too.
Probably end up back where I have most family and friends.

Good on ya. I have been very fortunate to have visited Sydney 4 times, including the 2000 Olympics where I rented a condo for a month near Darling Harbour, in Pyrmont. I have also visited Brisbane where I delivered an ebay purchase to someone. Probably a record for in person delivery of an ebay purchase. Went to the Lone Pine Koala Sanctuary, Mt Coot tha Botanical Gardens and got Cathy Freeman at a book signing. Farther up north I have been to Cairns, Kuranda and Port Douglas. I have snorkeled on the Great Barrier Reef 3 times. They give you more freedom if you snorkel rather than scuba. It also helps if you can free dive a bit. One of the times I got stung by some blue bottles or the such, but it was like a mosquito bite, no big deal. I took my wife out there on our honeymoon. She was a bit scared of sharks and the such but said it was one of the greatest things she ever did. They were filming the Matthew McConaughey/Kate Hudson movie 'Fools Gold' while we were there though we did not see any of it. There is a scene in a tropical bar during the daytime that is a bar on the Esplanade in Palm Cove.

Next trip there I want to go to Sydney (wife wants to see Bondi, I prefer Manly), Red Centre to see Uluru, Melbourne and Palm Cove. Being an Olympic historian I want to see the MCG. I have a few million Hilton Honor points so it would only be the cost of flights.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Good on ya. I have been very fortunate to have visited Sydney 4 times, including the 2000 Olympics where I rented a condo for a month near Darling Harbour, in Pyrmont. I have also visited Brisbane where I delivered an ebay purchase to someone. Probably a record for in person delivery of an ebay purchase. Went to the Lone Pine Koala Sanctuary, Mt Coot tha Botanical Gardens and got Cathy Freeman at a book signing. Farther up north I have been to Cairns, Kuranda and Port Douglas. I have snorkeled on the Great Barrier Reef 3 times. They give you more freedom if you snorkel rather than scuba. It also helps if you can free dive a bit. One of the times I got stung by some blue bottles or the such, but it was like a mosquito bite, no big deal. I took my wife out there on our honeymoon. She was a bit scared of sharks and the such but said it was one of the greatest things she ever did. They were filming the Matthew McConaughey/Kate Hudson movie 'Fools Gold' while we were there though we did not see any of it. There is a scene in a tropical bar during the daytime that is a bar on the Esplanade in Palm Cove.

Next trip there I want to go to Sydney (wife wants to see Bondi, I prefer Manly), Red Centre to see Uluru, Melbourne and Palm Cove. Being an Olympic historian I want to see the MCG. I have a few million Hilton Honor points so it would only be the cost of flights.

You've done it right mate. The thing I'll miss most about the US is the people, they've been so good to me wherever I've lived from NY to Chi town to KC. Everyone says to me they want to go to OZ one day, I always tell them not to wait.
Don't like to toot the horn but it's a beautiful country.
LOVE that you've taken real time, tbh it doesn't matter so much where you go in the world as long as you go. It's good for the soul.
Hit me up when you go next and I'll set you up with some food with my friends and will even take you to the MCG for a footy match...best time to be there. Holds a little over 100K people and the place pulses with the crowd noise. Goosebumps.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

You've done it right mate. The thing I'll miss most about the US is the people, they've been so good to me wherever I've lived from NY to Chi town to KC. Everyone says to me they want to go to OZ one day, I always tell them not to wait.
Don't like to toot the horn but it's a beautiful country.
LOVE that you've taken real time, tbh it doesn't matter so much where you go in the world as long as you go. It's good for the soul.
Hit me up when you go next and I'll set you up with some food with my friends and will even take you to the MCG for a footy match...best time to be there. Holds a little over 100K people and the place pulses with the crowd noise. Goosebumps.

Every time I mention going there people complain about the flight, 14 hours from LA to Sydney for those who don't know. My response is always think about where you are going, not the travel to get there. It is a 10 hour flight to Fiji, but who cares, it is a beatiful place and the people are very friendly. I hopped on the local bus one day and went to Latoka just to walk around as it is not a tourist destination. I visited the farmers market in a large open air building. Some of the local men selling fruit asked me to sit with them and drink kava. When in Rome as they say. It actually had no effect on me, but I enjoyed experiencing how locals live. I have always tried that in OZ. Definitely do the tourist stuff, but also try to experience how the natives live.

I will take you up on that if the timing is good. I would also like to have someone explain the rules of rugger and cricket to me. They can be fun to watch but understanding would help. The same goes for (team) handball which I watch on tv whenever I am in Europe.

A few photos from down under.

Lone Pine Koala Sanctuary
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Top of the Sydney Harbour Bridge
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My wife did not understand how easy it is to pet a kangaroo and scratch them behind the ears when it is 95º+ outside but she loved it.
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[glynparson]

Anyone expecting perfection is an absolute idiot. Perfection should be what the companies strive for but any one expecting absolute perfection is even dumber than some of their posts make them look. As for that parkhirst it is a terrible grade if it looks like that in hand I agree the scan looks off as far as manipulation. But I will also 100% guarantee they would buy that card back if that’s what it looks like so what’s the damn issue. Mark will complain about PSA no matter what. It’s like a broken record. The thread could be about where are you going eat after the show tonight and he’ll comment with something about how bad PSA sucks. Frankly the broken record thing is tiresome.

[swarmee]

Expecting perfection? The catchphrase from the CEO of Collector's Universe is "NEVER GET CHEATED!"

Most of us don't expect perfection. But many of these alterations should be caught under a blacklight, or by knowing what the proper size for the issue is.

But the biggest poke in the eye to collector's is knowing that long term trimmers from 20 years ago were never banned from PSA and continued to submit until finally being banned (maybe?) when PSA was under FBI investigation. That's 20 MORE YEARS of trimmed/altered cards they allowed in their holders, INTENTIONALLY.

I find your white-knighting/apologetics for PSA and the other companies absolutely hysterical. When PSA has been showed evidence of trimmed cards in their holders (before and after pictures of the same numbered card), they have disagreed with the photographic proof and reholdered the cards as the number grades they originally got. That's not just a whoops, that's intentional fraud.

[Bigdaddy]

I don't think anyone expects perfection, especially in a business that is assigns a numerical grade to a piece of paper and then renders an opinion on whether it has been materially changed since its first issuance.

As far as grading, that is a subjective matter entirely and perfection does not exist in that realm. What we hope for is a clear set of rules on which a grade will be assigned, an honest effort and that the grade is not dependent on the submitter.

As far as alteration/reprint detection, I believe most people are looking for competence and fairness, not perfection.

Seems to me that the majority of complaints directed towards PSA are about incompetence in being able to detect alterations and favored service to a small group of submitters, either by turning a blind eye to readily apparent alterations or relaxing the grading criteria.

Neither of these complaints have anything to do with perfection.

Tom Jordan

Originally Posted by glynparson

Anyone expecting perfection is an absolute idiot. Perfection should be what the companies strive for but any one expecting absolute perfection is even dumber than some of their posts make them look. As for that parkhirst it is a terrible grade if it looks like that in hand I agree the scan looks off as far as manipulation. But I will also 100% guarantee they would buy that card back if that’s what it looks like so what’s the damn issue. Mark will complain about PSA no matter what. It’s like a broken record. The thread could be about where are you going eat after the show tonight and he’ll comment with something about how bad PSA sucks. Frankly the broken record thing is tiresome.