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Love that Thielman card. It’s so wrong but right.
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Okay....there are millions of T206's with one Name....and some T206's with 2 same Names.
But, not often seen are T206's with 2 different Names. Anyway, very rarely will you find a T206 with No Names. If you have one, why not show it. I will start this show with this one............ ![]() PIEDMONT 350 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OLD MILL TED Z . |
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"Wild Bill" Donovan was the first Pitcher to Win 25 games in both Leagues.
In 1901, in the National League with Brooklyn (25 - 15). Then 1907 in the American League with Detroit (25 - 4). He had 185 career victories over a span of 18 years. ![]() TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 08-24-2020 at 06:26 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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Hey guys,
Some nice examples have been posted here. Let's see some more T206's with any one (or more) of these various types of anomalies. So, if you have them, how's about displaying them in this "show-room" ? Thanks, TED Z . |
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE...Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ....Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____ Sovereign…. American Beauty .…. UZIT [/B]This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted. Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ? Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #801 >> 821.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ? Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited) Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ? Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1101 >> 1116.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me directly with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 02-06-2021 at 05:56 PM. Reason: Updated INDEX. |
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Southpaw pitcher Bill Burns had a similar pitching style as Eddie Plank, which was a "crossfire" motion (that really
rattled Ty Cobb). Burns pitched for 5 different teams during his 5-year career (1908 - 1912) in the Major Leagues. Burns was one of the group of men who allegedly participated in the "Black-Sox" scandal in the 1919 World Series. ![]() TED Z . |
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And, here are two more double same name cards.....and, two single name on top cards.
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Giving this thread a friendly bump with another double same name T206. And, perhaps some of you will add to this gallery of anomalies.
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This is one topic I don't think I have anything to share. Mainly because I purposely stayed away from miscut cards. I might have a couple minor one's but would have to dig out the cards and devote a day to see what I might have. I do have plans to scan the fronts and backs of all my T206's and share them on a website for everyone to see but that might turn out to be a winter project. Plus I'm still working on my T205 website and a T59 Flags site as well.
Future websites: myt206.com t205resource.com t59flags.com
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Ron - Uncle Nacki T206 Master Monster Front/Back Set Collector - www.youtube.com/unclenacki T206 Basic "The Monster" Set 514/524 T206 Advanced "Master Monster" Front/Back Set ?? ![]() COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28 NEAR COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Polar Bear 245/250 Sovereign 460 50/52 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Overprint 31/34 Piedmont 350 "Elite 11" 9/11 |
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Near the end of the T206 press runs (circa late 1910-early 1911), American Lithographic separated the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series into two print groups. I have
identified these 2 groups as A and B. Illustrated here are the 35 subjects that were theoretically printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back. To date, 29 of them are confirmed with the BROAD LEAF 460 backs. Identified here are the 6 subjects from Group A that have yet to be discovered with BROAD LEAF 460 backs. I expect that these 6 guys will eventually be discovered with the BROAD LEAF 460 back. Group A ...... ---------- Ames --------------------------------------------- Bender -------- ------------------------------------ Chance ------------------- Chase ------------------ Chase . ![]() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- L. Doyle ![]() ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 10-25-2020 at 06:00 PM. Reason: Added information. |
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Mistaken bump.
Last edited by tedzan; 10-03-2020 at 12:03 PM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reflections, Theories, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I received a couple of emails from Net54 guys, one of which requested a master set checklist for an all - SOVEREIGN set. And, here it is...... The SOVEREIGN set comprises of 402 different T206 subjects. And, a complete master SOVEREIGN set comprises of 476 cards. 150-only Series..............12 subjects confirmed. ![]() Ames (hands at chest) M. Brown (Cubs) G. Browne (Chicago Nat'L) Burch (batting) Donlin (fielding) L. Doyle (throwing) Evers (Cubs-batting) Pattee (horizontal) Pelty (horizontal) Powers Reulbach (glove) Schulte (with bat) 150/350 Series..................138 confirmed with "150 SUBJECTS" backs Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Alperman Ames (portrait) Ball (New York) Bates Beaumont Bell (hands over head) Bender (portrait) Bergen (bat) Birmingham Bowerman Bradley (portrait) Bransfield Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Bresnahan (portrait) M. Brown (portrait) Camnitz (arms folded) Chance (red portrait) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (portrait) Clarke (bat) JJ Clarke Cobb (green) Cobb (bat on shoulder) Conroy (fielding) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Criger Criss Dahlen (Boston Nat'L) George Davis (Chicago) Harry Davis (A's) Delehanty (Washington) Devlin Donlin (seated) Donohue Donovan (portrait) Dooin Doolin Dougherty (portrait) Durham Elberfeld (New York Amer.) Evers (portrait) Ewing Ferris Flick Ganley Gibson Gilbert Goode Griffith (portrait) Hahn Hemphill Herzog (New York Nat'L) Hinchman (Cleveland) Isbell Jacklitsch Johnson (portrait) F. Jones (portrait) F. Jones (hands at hips) T. Jones (St Louis Amer.) Jordan (portrait) Joss (portrait) Karger Keeler (portrait) Keeler (bat) Killian (pitching) Kleinow (bat) Kling Konetchy (glove high) Lajoie (portrait) Lajoie (throwing) Lake (New York) Leach (portrait) Leifield (pitching) Liebhardt Lindaman Lobert Lumley Magee (portrait) Manning (bat) Marquard (hands at side) Mathewson (portrait) Mathewson (white cap) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) McIntyre (Brooklyn) McQuillan (ball in hand) Merkle (portrait) Mullin (horizontal) Murphy (horizontal) Nicholls (hands on knees) Niles Oldring (fielding) O'Leary (portrait) Overall (portrait) Owen Parent Pastorius Powell Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Schaefer (Detroit) Schlei (catching) Schmidt (throwing) Seymour (bat) Shaw (St Louis Nat'L) Sheckard (no glove) Shipke F. Smith (Chicago) Spade Spencer Stahl (no glove Steinfeldt (portrait) Stone Stovall (portrait) Sullivan L Tannehill (Chicago) Tenney Tinker (portrait) Tinker (hands on knees) Turner Waddell (portrait) Waddell (throwing) Wagner (bat on left) Wallace Walsh Weimer Doc White (portrait) Wilhelm (hands at chest) Williams Willis (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-no cap) CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) 150/350 Series..................70 confirmed with "350 SUBJECTS" backs Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Ames (portrait) Bell (hands over head) Bender (portrait) Birmingham Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Bresnahan (portrait) M. Brown (portrait) Camnitz (arms folded) Cicotte Cobb (bat on shoulder) Crawford (throwing) Criger Criss Devlin Donlin (seated) Donohue Dooin Dougherty (portrait) Elberfeld (New York Amer.) Ferris Flick Goode Griffith (portrait) Isbell Jacklitsch Jennings (portrait) Johnson (portrait) F. Jones (portrait) F. Jones (hands at hips) Joss (portrait) Keeler (bat) Kleinow (bat) Kling Lajoie (portrait) Leifield (pitching) Liebhardt Manning (bat) Mathewson (portrait) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) Merkle (portrait) Murphy (horizontal) Nicholls (hands on knees) Niles Oldring (fielding) O'Leary (portrait) Parent Seymour (bat) Shaw (St Louis Nat'L) Sheckard (no glove) Shipke F. Smith (Chicago) Stahl (no glove Stone Stovall (portrait) Sullivan Tenney Tinker (hands on knees) Turner Waddell (portrait) Waddell (throwing) Wallace Walsh Weimer Doc White (portrait) Willis (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-no cap) CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) SOVEREIGN 350-only Series.......... 138confirmed subjects Abbott Anderson Armbruster Arndt Atz Barry (A's) Barry (Milw) Batch Beck Beckley Bender (trees) Bescher (portrait) Blackburne Brain Browne (Washington) Burke Burns Bush Butler Byrne Campbell Carr Carrigan Casey Cassidy Chappelle Clancy Collins (A's) Congalton Cravath Cree Dahlen (Brooklyn) Dineen Donovan (throwing) Doolan (fielding) Downs Dubuc Dunn (Baltimore) Dunn (Brooklyn) Dygert Easterly Egan Ferguson Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Fromme Gasper Graham (Boston) Grimshaw Hall Hallman Hannifan Hartsel Hinchman (Toledo) Hoblitzell Hoffman (Providence) Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (portrait) Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands/mouth) Hulswitt Jackson Kelley Killian (portrait) Kisinger Knabe Knight (portrait) Knight (bat) Krause (portrait) Krause (pitching) Kroh Kruger Lavender Lennox Livingstone Malarkey Marquard (portrait) McCormick McGann McGinley McGinnity McGlynn McIntyre (Detroit) Merritt Milligan Mitchell (Cinci) Mitchell (Toronto) Moeller Moran (Chicago) Moran (Providence) Moriarty Mowrey Myers (fielding) Oakes Oberlin O'Brien O'Hara (NY Nat'L) O'Neill Paskert Perring Pfeister (seated) Phelan Phelps Pickering Poland Purtell Quillen Quinn Randall Raymond Rhoades (hands at chest) Rossman Schmidt (portrait) Scott Shaw (Providence) Slagle Smith (Buffalo) Speaker Stanage Stephens Strang Street (portrait) Summers Sweeney (Boston) J. Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thielmann Thomas Titus Unglaub Warhop White (Buffalo) Wilson Wright Irv Young Zimmerman "350/460 Series"...................... 66 subjects (apple green backs) Ames (hands over head) Baker Bender (no trees) Berger Bradley (bat) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Davis (A's) Crawford (bat) Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle Larry Doyle (bat) Elberfeld (Washington-fielding) Evers (bat-yellow sky) Griffith (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (both hands) Johnson (pitching) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Kleinow (New York Amer.) Konetchy (glove low) Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifield (bat) Magee (bat) Manning (pitching) Mathewson (dark cap) McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) McQuillan (bat) Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat) Nichols (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Overall (yellow sky) Pelty (vertical) Pfeister (throwing) Reulbach (no glove) Rhoades (arm extended) Rucker (throwing) Seymour (throwing) F. Smith (Chicago) Snodgrass (catching) Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (fielding) Tinker (bat off shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) White (pitching) Wilhelm (bat) Willetts Willis (bat) Willis (throwing) Wiltse (throwing) CYoung (glove) 460-only Series...................... 46 subjects confirmed Abbaticchio (blue sleeves) Ball (Cleveland) Bell (follow thru) Bergen (catching) Bescher (hands over head) Bridwell (portrait-cap) Camnitz (hands over head) Camnitz (arm at side) Chance (bat) Chase (trophy) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore Duffy Larry Doyle (portrait) Ford Frill Gandil Geyer Herzog (Boston) Howell (hand at waist) Hummel Lake, St. Louis (ball) Latham Marquard (pitching) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove at hip) Merkle (throwing) Meyers (portrait) Murray (portrait) Needham Oldring (batting) Overall (blue sky) Payne Pfeffer Schaefer (Washington) Schlei (portrait) Schlei (bat) Schulte (back view) Seymour (portrait) Sheckard (glove) Smith (Brooklyn) Stovall (bat) Tannehill (Chicago) Tinker (bat on shoulder) Wheat Wiltse (portrait-cap) The Six Super-Prints were also printed with SOVEREIGN 460 backs. Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Evers (Chicago-yellow sky) Mathewson (dark cap) ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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![]() ![]() Whoops ! .....I'm really referring to antique CARDS ![]() This Herzog card is one of several unique cards which are (or were) in my T206 collection. The recent provenance of this card dates back to circa 1990's. My great ole friend, Ralph Triplette, acquired this card from a small BB card shop in his town of Sylva, NC. When I visited him 7 years ago, we did a nice deal for it. This Herzog card is still the only one known with a UZIT back. OK show us your unique T206 card(s). Furthermore the stories regarding these T206's are sometimes very interesting, so feel free to tell us about them. ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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