1966 Topps High's - Any uncut sheets or partial sheets known?

[Cliff Bowman]

I had to laugh when I saw the Davis. I don't know which direction the Hoerner was printed but it is definitely an edge card on that jagged side.

[G1911]

The Davis must be on top of #568 Lindblad/Stone

[G1911]

The worst cut Hoerner shows Tebbets below. I'm not sure it's the same gray-color card beneath it in the next image though.

[Kevvyg1026]

I believe the worst cut Hoerner actually shows Taylor (585) below. I think one of the other Hoerner miscuts shows Perranowski above it, so both cards show the same pattern as what we already know.

Tebbets is in the middle of the sheet somewhere, on a row not yet identified.

One of the Shirley/Jackson miscuts may be above Salmon (594) or Taylor (585), while one is below one of those two cards as well. This gives some insight into a possible pattern on the sheet since 591 is below a different card than what is shown on other uncut material.

The Davis miscut, I think, shows the A's rookie card (568). This means that at some point on the sheet, the row with Davis (i.e., headed by Salmon) was definitely above the row headed by Northrup. This supports, but is not conclusive evidence, that the McCovey 4-card strip may be in the row headed by Salmon,as well.

[BillP]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I had to laugh when I saw the Davis. I don't know which direction the Hoerner was printed but it is definitely an edge card on that jagged side.

What grabbed me was the border space in comparing the odd shaped 544 cut above to a more normal 544 cut. the odd shaped looked like it was on the top corner of a sheet. also what card has that brown border?

[Kevvyg1026]

It is certainly possible that 544 is at top left of the 2nd sheet. Based on examining various illustrations of that card, some do have what appears to be an extra wide top border. One would probably need to find Piersall, Clarke, and Siebler as well with large top border to be more certain about that, however.

Northrup row also appears to have extra wide top border, so it my be that one sheet has Northrup at top left and the other has 544 top left.

[bb66]

More great discoveries Cliff. And great interpretations by Kevvy(#99) ! BillP I agree on that weird colored card adjoining Hoerner it looks brown....I have made big maps of these discoveries-haha--trying to plot it out. Very exciting as a '66 fan to see this guys.Thanks again.

[Cliff Bowman]

I think the card above Hoerner has the same dark red rectangle block as the Perranoski. The Perranoski has a yellow rectangle block card above it, the Franks has a lime green sideways card to the left of it. ETA: It has to be the #579 Davey Johnson three player rookie card to the left of Franks, which may already be known.

[Cliff Bowman]

I think these are new.

[Kevvyg1026]

Awesome work Cliff. I wish I knew where you find these miscuts as I can't seem to mfind them.

Yes, Franks (537) is adjacent to Johnson Rookie (579) and Hoerner rookie (544) is below Perranowski (555) at some point on the two half-sheets.

The Tiger team info is new. It looks like the Tiger team (583) is above either Sadowski (523) or Wilson (575). The second image appears to place the Tiger team card left of a Tiger or Cardinals card because of the yellow, but it could be one of several cards.

I know it isn't Northrup (since he leads a row), Navarro (he is right of Howser), or McLain (who is right of 591). Unfortunately, that still leaves as possibilities McFarlane (569), Mahaffey (570), or Sullivan (597) as possibilities and I don't know where any of those three cards are located.

I lean towards it being McFarlane simply because his card may be a SP like the team card is, but that is simply my guess.

[Kevvyg1026]

Here is a McLain with, I believe, 568 A's rookies above it.1966-topps-denny-mclain-540-vgex-oc_1_f185020713ba42b1daef08fe9526d301.jpg

[G1911]

568 on top of both Snyder and McClain on different parts of the sheet. Several new pieces a day, we'll have the full sheet recreated by next week at this rate! I did not have nearly so much luck showering eBay and COMC the last few days

[Kevvyg1026]

Above McLain might also be 588. Hard for me to tell the difference.

[mikemb]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Above McLain might also be 588. Hard for me to tell the difference.

I think it is 588, not 568.

Mike

[Kevvyg1026]

A quick summary of what I understand about the 1966 7th series rows, based on the material shown so far.

We know there are seven unique rows, headed by 554, 555, 544, 585, 594, 557, and 591 (i.e., column 1).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 2 (568, 562, 565, 530, 535, 588, 540).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 3 (584, 559, 547, 560, 575, 545, 567).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 4 (581, 564, 546, 571, 580, 526, 527).

We also know all 7 cards in column 5 (524, 561, x1, x2, x3, 589, 577) where x1, x2, and x3 represent 550, 525, and 542 but we don't as yet know which row those last three cards are in. We do know that at some point in the sheet 561 is above 525, 525 is above 542, and 542 is above 589.

For column 6, we only know 5 out of the 7 cards (558, 593, 596, 538, 533), and we do not know which rows two of those cards are in (538, 533).

There is also more info available based on examination of miscuts such as:
a. 598 being above 595,
b. 597,592, and 549 are in the same row,
c. 532 & 552 are in same row
d. 583 is in same row as 569 and is also above 523 at some point in the sheet.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

A quick summary of what I understand about the 1966 7th series rows, based on the material shown so far.

We know there are seven unique rows, headed by 554, 555, 544, 585, 594, 557, and 591 (i.e., column 1).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 2 (568, 562, 565, 530, 535, 588, 540).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 3 (584, 559, 547, 560, 575, 545, 567).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 4 (581, 564, 546, 571, 580, 526, 527).

We also know all 7 cards in column 5 (524, 561, x1, x2, x3, 589, 577) where x1, x2, and x3 represent 550, 525, and 542 but we don't as yet know which row those last three cards are in. We do know that at some point in the sheet 561 is above 525, 525 is above 542, and 542 is above 589.

For column 6, we only know 5 out of the 7 cards (558, 593, 596, 538, 533), and we do not know which rows two of those cards are in (538, 533).

There is also more info available based on examination of miscuts such as:
a. 598 being above 595,
b. 597,592, and 549 are in the same row,
c. 532 & 552 are in same row
d. 583 is in same row as 569 and is also above 523 at some point in the sheet.

Thank you for keeping my original row summary updated and making this column one! I've forwarded this thread to a few collectors I know who aren't on forums and have full 66 runs, hopefully will score a few more photos to add to our knowledge

[Kevvyg1026]

erratum: 542 is above 550, not 589

[BillP]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

A quick summary of what I understand about the 1966 7th series rows, based on the material shown so far.

We know there are seven unique rows, headed by 554, 555, 544, 585, 594, 557, and 591 (i.e., column 1).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 2 (568, 562, 565, 530, 535, 588, 540).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 3 (584, 559, 547, 560, 575, 545, 567).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 4 (581, 564, 546, 571, 580, 526, 527).

We also know all 7 cards in column 5 (524, 561, x1, x2, x3, 589, 577) where x1, x2, and x3 represent 550, 525, and 542 but we don't as yet know which row those last three cards are in. We do know that at some point in the sheet 561 is above 525, 525 is above 542, and 542 is above 589.

For column 6, we only know 5 out of the 7 cards (558, 593, 596, 538, 533), and we do not know which rows two of those cards are in (538, 533).

There is also more info available based on examination of miscuts such as:
a. 598 being above 595,
b. 597,592, and 549 are in the same row,
c. 532 & 552 are in same row
d. 583 is in same row as 569 and is also above 523 at some point in the sheet.

Great job, in column 5 x1 has to be 525 if it is on top of 542 and x3 has to be 550 if below 542 (x2). Am I right? I'm going to take my actual cards today and look over this puzzle placing them out, the checklist is still open at the end of column 11. Which one though? w.Sox or White sox?

[BillP]

Originally Posted by BillP

Great job, in column 5 x1 has to be 525 if it is on top of 542 and x3 has to be 550 if below 542 (x2). Am I right? I'm going to take my actual cards today and look over this puzzle placing them out, the checklist is still open at the end of column 11. Which one though? w.Sox or White sox?

If we know that mccovey is in the 5th position on the 5th column, then the mccovey strip extends out into column 6,7,8 from there and if adair is in the 6th column then we know what is below adair now.

[BillP]

Originally Posted by BillP

If we know that mccovey is in the 5th position on the 5th column, then the mccovey strip extends out into column 6,7,8 from there and if adair is in the 6th column then we know what is below adair now.

I'm laying out all the clues that we have and I think that I have discovered that the miscut adair I found that is above red sox rookies 558 is in an additional row above the Northrup row. Reasoning is that adair is next to mccovey who is below smith who is below bell who is below coleman who is below 534. 558 is next to 534 so the miscut adair has to be in a row above that. Bottom line is on 1 sheet the row with adair in it (salmon row) is double printed.

[Kevvyg1026]

I believe the 7th series checklist was the W. Sox version while the White Sox version was printed as part of the 6th series. I base this on two somewhat flimsy pieces of evidence. First, the White Sox version appears to be available more frequently (so appears to have been printed in higher quantity) and 2nd, I have found multiple White Sox versions checked only up to #522, but not seen that on a W.Sox version.

[Kevvyg1026]

That is my thinking as well. It would be great if we could find a McCovey with B. Williams to its left, or vice versa so we could confirm that the 4-card McCovey strip is in the same row as Salmon thru Williams (which is what I suspect).

My thinking goes like this:
row A - headed by Northrup
row B - headed by Perranowski
row C - headed by Hoerner rookie
row D - headed by Taylor
row E - headed by Salmon
row F - headed by Mantilla
row G - headed by Shirley/Jackson

Then the first sheet pattern would look like: A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E which is identical to what was used in 1965 (both 5th series & 7th series) and 1967 (7th series).

The 2nd half-sheet is still unknown but could look like: B, C, A, F, G, B, C, D, E, A, F, G. This puts 533 in row C, column 6, and puts it on top of 558 at one place on the sheet.

[BillP]

517 has to be on the right edge of a row that has mainly or all non-sp. The F and G rows would imply that there are 22 true sp's. Now this again calls into question what are the sp's? some of our sheet pattern has supposed sps on the same row as non sps. if we take a leap that rows f and g are true sp's, what of the unplaced cards are assumed sp's that would fit on f and g. the checklist 517 has to be on the end of row e.

billp