1966 Topps High's - Any uncut sheets or partial sheets known?

[Kevvyg1026]

A quick summary of what I understand about the 1966 7th series rows, based on the material shown so far.

We know there are seven unique rows, headed by 554, 555, 544, 585, 594, 557, and 591 (i.e., column 1).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 2 (568, 562, 565, 530, 535, 588, 540).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 3 (584, 559, 547, 560, 575, 545, 567).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 4 (581, 564, 546, 571, 580, 526, 527).

We also know all 7 cards in column 5 (524, 561, x1, x2, x3, 589, 577) where x1, x2, and x3 represent 550, 525, and 542 but we don't as yet know which row those last three cards are in. We do know that at some point in the sheet 561 is above 525, 525 is above 542, and 542 is above 589.

For column 6, we only know 5 out of the 7 cards (558, 593, 596, 538, 533), and we do not know which rows two of those cards are in (538, 533).

There is also more info available based on examination of miscuts such as:
a. 598 being above 595,
b. 597,592, and 549 are in the same row,
c. 532 & 552 are in same row
d. 583 is in same row as 569 and is also above 523 at some point in the sheet.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

A quick summary of what I understand about the 1966 7th series rows, based on the material shown so far.

We know there are seven unique rows, headed by 554, 555, 544, 585, 594, 557, and 591 (i.e., column 1).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 2 (568, 562, 565, 530, 535, 588, 540).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 3 (584, 559, 547, 560, 575, 545, 567).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 4 (581, 564, 546, 571, 580, 526, 527).

We also know all 7 cards in column 5 (524, 561, x1, x2, x3, 589, 577) where x1, x2, and x3 represent 550, 525, and 542 but we don't as yet know which row those last three cards are in. We do know that at some point in the sheet 561 is above 525, 525 is above 542, and 542 is above 589.

For column 6, we only know 5 out of the 7 cards (558, 593, 596, 538, 533), and we do not know which rows two of those cards are in (538, 533).

There is also more info available based on examination of miscuts such as:
a. 598 being above 595,
b. 597,592, and 549 are in the same row,
c. 532 & 552 are in same row
d. 583 is in same row as 569 and is also above 523 at some point in the sheet.

Thank you for keeping my original row summary updated and making this column one! I've forwarded this thread to a few collectors I know who aren't on forums and have full 66 runs, hopefully will score a few more photos to add to our knowledge

[Kevvyg1026]

erratum: 542 is above 550, not 589

[BillP]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

A quick summary of what I understand about the 1966 7th series rows, based on the material shown so far.

We know there are seven unique rows, headed by 554, 555, 544, 585, 594, 557, and 591 (i.e., column 1).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 2 (568, 562, 565, 530, 535, 588, 540).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 3 (584, 559, 547, 560, 575, 545, 567).

We know all 7 unique cards and their individual rows for column 4 (581, 564, 546, 571, 580, 526, 527).

We also know all 7 cards in column 5 (524, 561, x1, x2, x3, 589, 577) where x1, x2, and x3 represent 550, 525, and 542 but we don't as yet know which row those last three cards are in. We do know that at some point in the sheet 561 is above 525, 525 is above 542, and 542 is above 589.

For column 6, we only know 5 out of the 7 cards (558, 593, 596, 538, 533), and we do not know which rows two of those cards are in (538, 533).

There is also more info available based on examination of miscuts such as:
a. 598 being above 595,
b. 597,592, and 549 are in the same row,
c. 532 & 552 are in same row
d. 583 is in same row as 569 and is also above 523 at some point in the sheet.

Great job, in column 5 x1 has to be 525 if it is on top of 542 and x3 has to be 550 if below 542 (x2). Am I right? I'm going to take my actual cards today and look over this puzzle placing them out, the checklist is still open at the end of column 11. Which one though? w.Sox or White sox?

[BillP]

Originally Posted by BillP

Great job, in column 5 x1 has to be 525 if it is on top of 542 and x3 has to be 550 if below 542 (x2). Am I right? I'm going to take my actual cards today and look over this puzzle placing them out, the checklist is still open at the end of column 11. Which one though? w.Sox or White sox?

If we know that mccovey is in the 5th position on the 5th column, then the mccovey strip extends out into column 6,7,8 from there and if adair is in the 6th column then we know what is below adair now.

[BillP]

Originally Posted by BillP

If we know that mccovey is in the 5th position on the 5th column, then the mccovey strip extends out into column 6,7,8 from there and if adair is in the 6th column then we know what is below adair now.

I'm laying out all the clues that we have and I think that I have discovered that the miscut adair I found that is above red sox rookies 558 is in an additional row above the Northrup row. Reasoning is that adair is next to mccovey who is below smith who is below bell who is below coleman who is below 534. 558 is next to 534 so the miscut adair has to be in a row above that. Bottom line is on 1 sheet the row with adair in it (salmon row) is double printed.

[Kevvyg1026]

I believe the 7th series checklist was the W. Sox version while the White Sox version was printed as part of the 6th series. I base this on two somewhat flimsy pieces of evidence. First, the White Sox version appears to be available more frequently (so appears to have been printed in higher quantity) and 2nd, I have found multiple White Sox versions checked only up to #522, but not seen that on a W.Sox version.

[Kevvyg1026]

That is my thinking as well. It would be great if we could find a McCovey with B. Williams to its left, or vice versa so we could confirm that the 4-card McCovey strip is in the same row as Salmon thru Williams (which is what I suspect).

My thinking goes like this:
row A - headed by Northrup
row B - headed by Perranowski
row C - headed by Hoerner rookie
row D - headed by Taylor
row E - headed by Salmon
row F - headed by Mantilla
row G - headed by Shirley/Jackson

Then the first sheet pattern would look like: A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E which is identical to what was used in 1965 (both 5th series & 7th series) and 1967 (7th series).

The 2nd half-sheet is still unknown but could look like: B, C, A, F, G, B, C, D, E, A, F, G. This puts 533 in row C, column 6, and puts it on top of 558 at one place on the sheet.

[BillP]

517 has to be on the right edge of a row that has mainly or all non-sp. The F and G rows would imply that there are 22 true sp's. Now this again calls into question what are the sp's? some of our sheet pattern has supposed sps on the same row as non sps. if we take a leap that rows f and g are true sp's, what of the unplaced cards are assumed sp's that would fit on f and g. the checklist 517 has to be on the end of row e.

billp

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by BillP

517 has to be on the right edge of a row that has mainly or all non-sp. The F and G rows would imply that there are 22 true sp's. Now this again calls into question what are the sp's? some of our sheet pattern has supposed sps on the same row as non sps. if we take a leap that rows f and g are true sp's, what of the unplaced cards are assumed sp's that would fit on f and g. the checklist 517 has to be on the end of row e.

billp

If the pattern is correct A B and C are overprinted

[BillP]

Originally Posted by toppcat

If the pattern is correct A B and C are overprinted

Just based on the cards in each row, my guess is A, D and E but that's based on perception. Whatever rows have 523, 560,572, and 573, to name a few are much more common than others.

[Kevvyg1026]

I believe that the checklist would be on a row that was short printed, since it was previously printed in the last series as well. In addition, for this printing, it is entirely possible that four rows were printed 3x each (the SPs) and three rows printed 4x each, so there would be 43 SPs (44 - checklist) but they are only mildly short printed.

Of course, if the pattern on the 2nd half sheet is different than that described above (i.e., 7th series 1967), then there might only be 11 or 22 real SPs. Until that pattern can be established, we won't know.

[G1911]

The lack of the black line on Piersall makes me think the color there is actually part of the multi color stripe on the bottom of many uncut sheets used to test the ink colors if something goes wrong on a sheet. IF it's this, and not Green, that is still a very helpful clue.