Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

however if there is focus on one thing and its like 5 down on the chain...there is only so much money and attention people will go all in for a period of time...theres an opportunity cost of focusing on one thing which may not be the ideal thing by far

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

however if there is focus on one thing and its like 5 down on the chain...there is only so much money and attention people will go all in for a period of time...theres an opportunity cost of focusing on one thing which may not be the ideal thing by far

If these issues are important to you I would urge you to organize. Protests are meaningful.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

If these issues concern you then I would urge you to organize.

next time people are stuck at home for 4+ months and no sports and government pays several trillion we will get another chance.....happens all the time i guess..

right now there are the haves and have nots in terms of organizing and raising funds....if you fit certain criteria you have a much better chance for that to happen...

[2dueces]

Anytime anyone links anything from Rolling Stone I immediately think of the National Enquirer. Nothing but BS. In the 70’s it was the only source that expressed the real views of world events and music. Today, just another liberal mouth piece owned by leftists. I’d trust CNN or gas station sushi before I’d ever read RS again.

[gawaintheknight]

Fine. Is Forbes magazine far enough to the right for you?

KEY FACTS

In its most general definition, “defund the police” means to redirect some funds for police departments to other areas such as education and healthcare while its most radical interpretation calls for completely dismantling police departments and replacing it with a social services-based approach, which Minneapolis may be on track to doing after the City Council voted to disband the city police department.

At first glance, it appears to be a reaction to police brutality, but its origin runs deeper: left-leaning activists and academics have argued for decades that the U.S. spends far too much on security and not enough on social welfare.

At all levels of government, the U.S. spends roughly double on police, prisons, and courts what it spends on food stamps, welfare, and income supplements, The Atlantic reports.

Some “defund the police” proponents argue the U.S. relies on police to do too much; they envision mental health workers and nurses responding to drug overdoses, instead of police officers.

Cities such as Eugene, Oregon, Austin, Texas, and Camden, New Jersey have tried versions of this approach, and Minneapolis could be next: the Minneapolis City Council on Sunday pledged to disband its police department and invest in community-based public safety programs, though it’s not clear what the next steps will be.

For now, though, “defunding the police” appears most likely to succeed as reducing — not defunding, which implies zeroing out — police budgets. On Wednesday, L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti announced he is throwing out plans for a massive police budget hike and redirecting funds to address problems in the black community.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbre...-really-means/

[gawaintheknight]

Here's a long-ish essay by someone claiming to be a former cop that covers things pretty well. I'm not saying I agree, but if you are really interested in learning what the "defund the police" movement is about, it describes the position in some depth.

https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confess...p-bb14d17bc759

Ted

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Here's a long-ish essay by someone claiming to be a former cop that covers things pretty well. I'm not saying I agree, but if you are really interested in learning what the "defund the police" movement is about, it describes the position in some depth.

https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confess...p-bb14d17bc759

Ted

can always take money from somewhere else instead of the police department to help in troubled areas. I would take a wild guess that there are funds being spent somewhere else that may not help the community versus paying for police. Police/state attorneys are all one package by the way.
Not sure the criminals will carry lesser weapons if the police have lesser weapons....

body cams are really expensive, a lot of recent funding went to that and that appears worthy..

[gawaintheknight]

If you are taking responsibilities away from the police, then you can also take the money to pay for those responsibilities from the police. That seems pretty obvious to me.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

If you are taking responsibilities away from the police, then you can also take the money to pay for those responsibilities from the police. That seems pretty obvious to me.

If you really want to see what a lawless society looks like, read a history book. The Wild West already happened. I don't recommend repeating it, but what do I know.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If you really want to see what a lawless society looks like, read a history book. The Wild West already happened. I don't recommend repeating it, but what do I know.

The people (liberals) who are talking about defunding or disbanding the police have traditionally called for stricter gun control too. If they get their way it would be worse than the wild west, because only the lawless would be fully armed.

[gawaintheknight]

Sure, because all the European countries with stricter gun control laws, to say nothing of Japan, Canada, New Zealand or Australia, have much higher murder rates than the United States. Everyone knows that, right?

Originally Posted by Mark17

The people (liberals) who are talking about defunding or disbanding the police have traditionally called for stricter gun control too. If they get their way it would be worse than the wild west, because only the lawless would be fully armed.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If you really want to see what a lawless society looks like, read a history book. The Wild West already happened. I don't recommend repeating it, but what do I know.

The point he's been making over and over again is that this isn't a call to disband the police. It's a call to defund them. He has given you ample links to look over if you're confused about the intentions.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by packs

The point he's been making over and over again is that this isn't a call to disband the police. It's a call to defund them. He has given you ample links to look over if you're confused about the intentions.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneap...ce-department/

Minneapolis City Council members say they plan to vote to disband city's police department

June 9, 2020 / 8:10 AM / CBS News

On Sunday afternoon, hundreds of people rallied at a Minneapolis park to call for more changes to the city's police department. Nine out of 13 Minneapolis City Council members stood up on the stage to announce their intent to disband the city's police department, CBS Minnesota reports.

The announcement comes after council president Lisa Bender and member Jeremiah Ellison tweeted last week that they plan to dismantle the police department.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

The point he's been making over and over again is that this isn't a call to disband the police. It's a call to defund them. He has given you ample links to look over if you're confused about the intentions.

right we know its to lesson funding for the most part ...but again, my point was you can take money from somewhere else .

body cams seem to work...would you want 30k a year officers working for your town or 60k a year ones...you pay for what you get...

body cams seemed like a good idea...it takes a lot of time and money to prosecute criminals.... cant just say defund the police without also addressing the court system...going to have to defund the court system..what about public defenders, we defund them too?