Hey, pennant guys

[Fballguy]

Picked these two up in the last few weeks. Priced too cheaply to pass up. They have to be at least 100 years old. Both 34" excluding tassels. Anyone have any idea who the maker would be on these? Chicago Pennant Co. was around at that time.

I've found a similar pennant (but not exact) using the same font and a circle shaped graphic, as on the Harvard pennant. The tag on that one reads: Henry Schwartz of 15 Ann St New York.

Domer...Does that name meaning anything to you?

[perezfan]

Those are fantastic, Rob...

About as early as they come, and amazing condition considering their age!

[thetahat]

Rob those are awesome! Especially the Harvard pennant .... never seen anything like it.

[Fballguy]

Thanks Mark and Greg...I had never seen this Harvard pennant before either. What was intriguing to me is the similarity of the players uniform to the uniforms worn in this 1890 team photo. Harvard's uniform seems to have changed by the time the 1900s roll around. Makes me wonder if this could be from the 19th century.

I'm sure there are people here more familiar with Harvard football history than I. Would love input if anyone has any theories on this pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Those are great, Rob. Carlton Hendricks is a big Yale collector, I think.

[T_Hamilton]

A few quick questions

1) I want to get an Oakland A's pennant from their 4 world championships in Oakland. A quick eBay search reveals their 1972 WS Championship, 1973 (shows 1972-73) and 1989. However, I dont see a 1974 championship pennant. Was one ever made?
2) I was going to buy ultra pro pennant holders and then display them horizontally. What is the best material to stock the holders to the wall? or is there a better way to display
3) These pennants aren't really high end, but how do i ensure they are authentic and not reproductions.

Appreciate the insight.

Taylor

[rlevy]

I can only answer your 2nd question. I use two medium size 3m command picture hanging strips on the back of the pennant case. Just make sure you clean the application spots with rubbing alcohol and follow the directions and they hold well. I use a cardboard template so I can be certain I apply the strips in the same spot each time for every pennant so if I want to change the display I just pop one off and put up a different pennant.

Edit to add that Amazon sells the hanging strips in large packages at much cheaper prices than stores like Staples.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

A few quick questions

1) I want to get an Oakland A's pennant from their 4 world championships in Oakland. A quick eBay search reveals their 1972 WS Championship, 1973 (shows 1972-73) and 1989. However, I dont see a 1974 championship pennant. Was one ever made?
2) I was going to buy ultra pro pennant holders and then display them horizontally. What is the best material to stock the holders to the wall? or is there a better way to display
3) These pennants aren't really high end, but how do i ensure they are authentic and not reproductions.

Appreciate the insight.

Taylor

1) I’m sure they did. Keep looking.

3) It’s doubtful anyone has reproduced pennants of this vintage. Even your earliest one will probably be made of the synthetic stuff that replaced wool/felt.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

A few quick questions

1) I want to get an Oakland A's pennant from their 4 world championships in Oakland. A quick eBay search reveals their 1972 WS Championship, 1973 (shows 1972-73) and 1989. However, I dont see a 1974 championship pennant. Was one ever made?
2) I was going to buy ultra pro pennant holders and then display them horizontally. What is the best material to stock the holders to the wall? or is there a better way to display
3) These pennants aren't really high end, but how do i ensure they are authentic and not reproductions.

Appreciate the insight.

Taylor

Did a Google Images search and found this pic, only one that came up that shows ‘74. What’s interesting is the MLB trademark ... observe! I actually use thumbtacks for my holders, one in the upper LH corner through the plastic, and one by the tip (not through the holder) on which the holder rests. It’s in a basement with cheap paneling, which is almost a cork board at this point ...

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Thanks Mark and Greg...I had never seen this Harvard pennant before either. What was intriguing to me is the similarity of the players uniform to the uniforms worn in this 1890 team photo. Harvard's uniform seems to have changed by the time the 1900s roll around. Makes me wonder if this could be from the 19th century.

I'm sure there are people here more familiar with Harvard football history than I. Would love input if anyone has any theories on this pennant.

The Harvard Player in the pennant is wearing what they called a Union Suit, Circa 1890 - 1910. See links for a couple of examples...

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/406168460137653954/


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/387098530451774794/

A great pair of TOC era Pennants!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The Harvard Player in the pennant is wearing what they called a Union Suit, Circa 1890 - 1910. See links for a couple of examples...

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/406168460137653954/


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/387098530451774794/

A great pair of TOC era Pennants!

Good stuff Mark. Thanks! I thought I googled every possible combination but never came across these pics.

[Teamgluck]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Picked these two up in the last few weeks. Priced too cheaply to pass up. They have to be at least 100 years old. Both 34" excluding tassels. Anyone have any idea who the maker would be on these? Chicago Pennant Co. was around at that time.

I've found a similar pennant (but not exact) using the same font and a circle shaped graphic, as on the Harvard pennant. The tag on that one reads: Henry Schwartz of 15 Ann St New York.

Domer...Does that name meaning anything to you?

These are great pennants and ones I thought about bidding on! They are NOT Chicago Pennant Company pennants. They are likely from an earlier time period when the Ivy leagues ruled the rue of college football.

Chicago Pennant Company pennants or ChiPenCo have:

1. Tassels cut vertically and NOT on a bias
2. Tassels have the same color as the pennant backing
3. Lettering in the same color as the binding strip on the end
4. Hand sewn felt for the logo and the lettering.

[Teamgluck]

Does anyone make UV proof plastic or softcover cases for oversized pennants?

The largest I know are standard 33X12 plastic cases. It is a real pain in the a** when I get an oversized pennant and have the logo partially sticking out of the end of the case.

[Teamgluck]

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These are my favorite BTW The University of Chattanooga Moccasins

[ser1979]

Recently picked up a few more Tiger pennants for my collection. The 1939 pennant I just happened to stumble upon in a Detroit Tiger face book page. The 64 picture pennant is in rough shape. I have several and it was dirt cheap so I figured I'd pick it up and try my luck at cleaning / bleaching to see how it goes.

[Bumpus Jones]

Great pennants guys. Jordan that injun pennant is super cool!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Picked these two up in the last few weeks. Priced too cheaply to pass up. They have to be at least 100 years old. Both 34" excluding tassels. Anyone have any idea who the maker would be on these? Chicago Pennant Co. was around at that time.

I've found a similar pennant (but not exact) using the same font and a circle shaped graphic, as on the Harvard pennant. The tag on that one reads: Henry Schwartz of 15 Ann St New York.

Domer...Does that name meaning anything to you?

Great pennants! So, I've never once come across that maker you identified: Henry Schwartz of New York City. I don't know that the two pennants were made by the same maker ... could be. Hard to say, right? The two letter fonts used are similar; but not identical.

That style of font was used throughout the 1910s by several pennant makers that had adopted the screen printing method for felt pennants; and, you couldn't replicate this font via any other method (i.e., sewn letters).

The fact that they were screen printed tells us they were made after 1907; probably closer to 1910, when this method became more widely used.

The most obvious candidate for either maker was The Reproduction Co. of New York City. They are believed to be the first manufacturer to patent and manufacture pennants via the screen printed method. With that said, they tended to use the same stock graphic illustrations; and these don't appear to be ones they used. Two other possibilities: Annin; and Langrock Bros., both of New York City. Both followed Reproduction Co.'s lead in adopting screen printing by the early 1910s.

Although Chicago Pennant Co. opened its doors by 1910, I don't believe they made these. Their earliest pennants all had labels that clearly identified them by name and address; and, I don't believe they ever screen printed a pennant in the 1910s (or ever?). Their early stuff was all sewn letter; and by the 1940s, they used primarily flocked graphics.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Great pennants! So, I've never once come across that maker you identified: Henry Schwartz of New York City. I don't know that the two pennants were made by the same maker ... could be. Hard to say, right? The two letter fonts used are similar; but not identical.

That style of font was used throughout the 1910s by several pennant makers that had adopted the screen printing method for felt pennants; and, you couldn't replicate this font via any other method (i.e., sewn letters).

The fact that they were screen printed tells us they were made after 1907; probably closer to 1910, when this method became more widely used.

The most obvious candidate for either maker was The Reproduction Co. of New York City. They are believed to be the first manufacturer to patent and manufacture pennants via the screen printed method. With that said, they tended to use the same stock graphic illustrations; and these don't appear to be ones they used. Two other possibilities: Annin; and Langrock Bros., both of New York City. Both followed Reproduction Co.'s lead in adopting screen printing by the early 1910s.

Although Chicago Pennant Co. opened its doors by 1910, I don't believe they made these. Their earliest pennants all had labels that clearly identified them by name and address; and, I don't believe they ever screen printed a pennant in the 1910s (or ever?). Their early stuff was all sewn letter; and by the 1940s, they used primarily flocked graphics.

Ahhh yes. Thanks Kyle. I forgot about The Reproduction Company. I did a quick scan of your website to see who was around back then and they weren't listed. Will you be doing an article on them?

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ahhh yes. Thanks Kyle. I forgot about The Reproduction Company. I did a quick scan of your website to see who was around back then and they weren't listed. Will you be doing an article on them?

Yep, I plan to cover The Reproduction Co. next.

I just finished my write-up on Keezer Mfg. Co. I'll post that article in a few days.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Yep, I plan to cover The Reproduction Co. next.

I just finished my write-up on Keezer Mfg. Co. I'll post that article in a few days.

Looking forward to both!

[Fballguy]

The annual pennant sort/reconciliation is underway. Been meaning to do this since quarantine started in March.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

The annual pennant sort/reconciliation is underway. Been meaning to do this since quarantine started in March.

Nice. Please post any cream of the crop that we haven't seen!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

The annual pennant sort/reconciliation is underway. Been meaning to do this since quarantine started in March.

Would love to see your Eagles pennants... I don’t have many football, but this is probably my favorite, any idea as far as age?

[perezfan]

NM

[thetahat]

Okay somebody explain this Lelands auction to me. I just got a red one in REA for an even grand that came in a frame that might have cost half that alone. This one is exploding. I think this one is slightly better condition, but is blue the harder color than red? My searches seem to come up about even.

Whatever the case, if one of you wins it, and you want a frame made just for this pennant ....

[ooo-ribay]

What do you guys think of this? Another Net54 member alerted me of it. Any tough pennants in there? What do you think it would have done on ebay?

https://www.equip-bid.com/auction/74...173?offset=160

[thetahat]

[QUOTE=ooo-ribay;1989402]What do you guys think of this? Another Net54 member alerted me of it. Any tough pennants in there? What do you think it would have done on ebay?

https://www.equip-bid.com/auction/74...173?offset=160[/QUOTE

Interesting .... looks like a good deal!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

What do you guys think of this? Another Net54 member alerted me of it. Any tough pennants in there? What do you think it would have done on ebay?

https://www.equip-bid.com/auction/74...173?offset=160

Nothing too rare in there but for that price a nice deal. It's showing as closed to me.

And on that note...Great. Now there's another website I'll be compelled to monitor for the once in a blue moon they actually have an interesting pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

And on that note...Great. Now there's another website I'll be compelled to monitor for the once in a blue moon they actually have an interesting pennant.

I wouldn’t bother. It seems to be a local Kansas City site....altho they will ship.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Okay somebody explain this Lelands auction to me. I just got a red one in REA for an even grand that came in a frame that might have cost half that alone. This one is exploding. I think this one is slightly better condition, but is blue the harder color than red? My searches seem to come up about even.

Whatever the case, if one of you wins it, and you want a frame made just for this pennant ....

I'll explain it like this:

If I'm selling, I get the red price.

If I want to buy, it goes for the blue price.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I'll explain it like this:

If I'm selling, I get the red price.

If I want to buy, it goes for the blue price.

LOL...So true.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Okay somebody explain this Lelands auction to me. I just got a red one in REA for an even grand that came in a frame that might have cost half that alone. This one is exploding. I think this one is slightly better condition, but is blue the harder color than red? My searches seem to come up about even.

Whatever the case, if one of you wins it, and you want a frame made just for this pennant ....

i'm not a pennant collector, I'm a Dodger collector who likes pennants, and for me, the blue version is the only one I would be interested in. I personally don't like it in red, but I also won't be the one spending $5k on this one.