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[gawaintheknight]

That may have been how they started, but they have now become protests against systemic racism and police violence across the country. Kind of like the Boston Tea Party - it may have started off as a protest against a tax on tea, but it became something a lot bigger.

Ted

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Well said...protests used to be when a verdict came out that people didn't like...someone was elected they didn't like....

In this instance the cops got fired and are being tried for murder. Yet the protest continue. Will they protest if the cops are found guilty too? Makes you wonder.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

That may have been how they started, but they have now become protests against systemic racism and police violence across the country. Kind of like the Boston Tea Party - it may have started off as a protest against a tax on tea, but it became something a lot bigger.

Ted

I really wish there was more protest about black on black violence. All black lives matter to me, not just their dealings with the police. Plus if you look at the number of deaths in comparison.

2 of the officers involved just joined the force and on their probation period. The killer cop was giving them orders as he was a 15+ year or whatever veteran. I get that the training was terrible but i wont be suprised if murder charges are not found on the 2 rookies...then we will see some real protesting if that happens..

[Shoeless Moe]

I like the idiots calling for the Police to be eliminated, like in Minneapolis, those protesters will never be happy because that ain't happening, but if it does that town will burn in a matter of days.

Here's how it will go when you have no PD:


"911, what's your emergency?"

"My house is being broken into and I think they have guns."

"Ok, stay on the line, I have thoughts and prayers on the way."

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I like the idiots calling for the Police to be eliminated, like in Minneapolis, those protesters will never be happy because that ain't happening, but if it does that town will burn in a matter of days.

Here's how it will go when you have no PD:


"911, what's your emergency?"

"My house is being broken into and I think they have guns."

"Ok, stay on the line, I have thoughts and prayers on the way."

LOL......yep...that's pretty much it. No police is akin to socialism. Everyone wants it until they live it and realize how crappy it is.

[gawaintheknight]

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

[gawaintheknight]

Here's a long-ish essay by someone claiming to be a former cop that covers things pretty well. I'm not saying I agree, but if you are really interested in learning what the "defund the police" movement is about, it describes the position in some depth.

https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confess...p-bb14d17bc759

Ted

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....