Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Don’t think this and the cable car are the same maker. I think this pennant might be some maker’s only offering.

Interesting.... The Cable Car pennant has odd graphics. They were not "screened/painted on" in the same manner as all other pennants of the era. It looked like maybe those 3/4 examples posted above utilized the same unorthodox application.

Pretty tough to tell from a flat computer screen, but if you have both in-hand, you'd definitely know best... not that you wouldn't anyway!

[ooo-ribay]

Is this the one you're talking about?

[perezfan]

Yes... check out (and feel) the graphics. A different process was used to apply them. It is not the traditional paint/silk-screening. I cannot put my finger on what it is, and sold my only example a few years back (so I'm going from memory, which is dwindling).

Have you ever seen weird graphics like that on any other vintage early-mid 60s pennant?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yes... check out (and feel) the graphics. A different process was used to apply them. It is not the traditional paint/silk-screening. I cannot put my finger on what it is, and sold my only example a few years back (so I'm going from memory, which is dwindling).

Have you ever seen weird graphics like that on any other vintage early-mid 60s pennant?

Whatchu talkin' about, Willis?

I checked the graphics. The "cable car" definitely feels screened, although the "San Francisco" is almost like it's dyed into the felt.

I attribute the "cable car" and these other two to the same maker, due to the font on "San Francisco."

[thetahat]

Speaking of weird screening textures ... came across this while continuing my inventory. There was apparently a brief period - perhaps 1960-61 - when the print had a velvet-like feel to it. I can date these by the picture pennants of the era, I know Phillies, Pirates, and Orioles all have it. Also this simple Phillies pennant below. Additionally, the 3D pennants have it. For whatever reason, it didn’t last long.

Oh ... and those are FANTASTIC Giants pennants ... truly works of art!

[rlevy]

sold for $211, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. No picture of the back nor of the tip. I assumed it was something more modern, but then saw the price it sold for. I can''t tell if it is raised felt or screen printed from the picture. I'm always trying to learn about these things. The seller didn't use the word "vintage" to describe it, but did refer to themselves as specialists in vintage items 5 times in their description.

1955 world champs.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-BROOKL...orig_cvip=true

thanks,
Rick

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by rlevy

sold for $211, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. No picture of the back nor of the tip. I assumed it was something more modern, but then saw the price it sold for. I can''t tell if it is raised felt or screen printed from the picture. I'm always trying to learn about these things. The seller didn't use the word "vintage" to describe it, but did refer to themselves as specialists in vintage items 5 times in their description.

Attachment 397934

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-BROOKL...orig_cvip=true

thanks,
Rick

I haven't seen that particular one, but I'm 99.9% sure it's modern.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by rlevy

sold for $211, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. No picture of the back nor of the tip. I assumed it was something more modern, but then saw the price it sold for. I can''t tell if it is raised felt or screen printed from the picture. I'm always trying to learn about these things. The seller didn't use the word "vintage" to describe it, but did refer to themselves as specialists in vintage items 5 times in their description.

Attachment 397934

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-BROOKL...orig_cvip=true

thanks,
Rick

Obvious reproduction/fake....

For some reason, this one gets pawned off as vintage more often than any other Mitchell & Ness Reproduction. It is new and does not even resemble a vintage pennant. I have had to call respected Auction Houses on 3 separate occasions, about this particular pennant alone. They've all eventually taken it down, but not without a struggle.

The consignor is either just a stubborn fool who can't tell the difference, or one of the most tenacious con men in the hobby.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Speaking of weird screening textures ... came across this while continuing my inventory. There was apparently a brief period - perhaps 1960-61 - when the print had a velvet-like feel to it. I can date these by the picture pennants of the era, I know Phillies, Pirates, and Orioles all have it. Also this simple Phillies pennant below. Additionally, the 3D pennants have it. For whatever reason, it didn’t last long.

I wonder if that "velvet-like" feel would be known as "flocking"? Flocking is applying very short fibers to adhesive. I have a similar pennant without the velvet feel. I always assumed mine was 1970s and should have been licensed but was not.

P.S. this is not a pennant you see very often. I can't remember the last one I saw...

[bocca001]

Nice pennant, Rob. I've never seen that one in my 5+ years of Giants pennant collecting. I know that design is more common for some teams and rare for others. The Oakland A's version sold on ebay earlier this year for decent money, and I think I recall seeing an Oakland A's version that was specifically for Vida Blue.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I wonder if that "velvet-like" feel would be known as "flocking"? Flocking is applying very short fibers to adhesive. I have a similar pennant without the velvet feel. I always assumed mine was 1970s and should have been licensed but was not.

P.S. this is not a pennant you see very often. I can't remember the last one I saw...

If a pennant's graphics exhibit a raised velvet-like feel, then yes this is what they marketed as a flocked pennant. The process was used by a small handful of manufacturers beginning in the 1940s. Two companies in particular made it their signature design element: Collegiate Mfg. Co. and Chicago Pennant Co.

Collegiate of Ames branded pennants made using their flocking process as "Chromtone" pennants and marketed their pennants under this snazzy name. Chipenco followed suit; except they dubbed their flocking method "A Silvet Process." Despite the two names, they made their pennants the same way. Essentially, you screen on a base layer in white that's sticky. Then you dump a bunch of white "flock," i.e., ground felt dust, atop the pennant. The flock is then cured to the pennant via a heat treatment. The excess flock is removed. Finally, the secondary colors are applied via block-out stencils to the design.

The main advantage to flocking is that the graphics will never crack like they will on a screen printed pennant, using screen printer's paints.

Today, Collegiate Pacific still utilizes this premium production method on all of their felt products.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I wonder if that "velvet-like" feel would be known as "flocking"? Flocking is applying very short fibers to adhesive. I have a similar pennant without the velvet feel. I always assumed mine was 1970s and should have been licensed but was not.

P.S. this is not a pennant you see very often. I can't remember the last one I saw...

Sweet Giants pennant Rob. I'm sucker for anything with stars.

Rob

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I wonder if that "velvet-like" feel would be known as "flocking"? Flocking is applying very short fibers to adhesive. I have a similar pennant without the velvet feel. I always assumed mine was 1970s and should have been licensed but was not.

P.S. this is not a pennant you see very often. I can't remember the last one I saw...

Never saw Giants before, very nice! Here are Expos and Phillies ...