The real, unseen side of The Green New Deal.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Isnt projected to get much cooler now?

Yes, the overall temp of the earth/planet has decreased the last few years, not increased, but that has been seen throughout history through core samples, carbon dating and other real scientific means.

A temp increase from 1850 to 2012 showed an increase of 0.8 degrees C or 1.2 degrees F. Hardly anything to be worried/concerned about but of course if you look at the Global warming alarmists graphs, they show a huge spike, up trend just like Michael Mann's hockey stick. Fear mongering once again!
These Climate epochs have been happening forever but are rarely, if ever, talked about by the global warming alarmists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...limate_history

Originally Posted by packs

You don't believe the world is heating even though the ice caps are melting? I think we can agree there is risk in rising sea levels. Whether or not someone is lying about the cause, if there are things we can do to slow rising seas, why wouldn't we do them? I'm just not understanding what there is to be against when it comes to living clean. Even if you don't agree with a specific methodology for living clean, what is there to be against in theory? How could living on a cleaner planet make things worse?

Who actually says the ice caps are melting, and if they are, what conclusive evidence is there that this normal fluctuation of melting/growth is caused by man?

Curious, are you referring to Iceland's glaciers? If so, ever wonder why they don't tell you about the numerous volcanoes that are lying underneath them that erupt occasionally/often, that melt whole glaciers and cause massive flooding and damage? Is that caused by man?
http://www.plateclimatology.com/unde...climate-change

You realize these glaciers also reform/grow back occasionally as well? Ever heard any talk about that by the global warming alarmists?
Were you aware of the silent removal of signs that read "Glaciers will be all gone by 2020 due to MMGW" at Glacier National Park? Geez, it looks like their computer models were wrong again.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/07/n...cier-warnings/

I could go on and on here with false claims that the alarmists have made over the years, like New York will be under water by 2000, Florida will be gone/sunk due to ocean rise of 2 meters or more, no more polar bears, no more coral reefs, etc, but I think you should get the point? They are all fake/fear mongering schemes to keep the sheep convinced and dedicated to the cause.
"IPA Senior Fellow Dr Jennifer Marohasy presents this short film which allows Australians to see for themselves that claims that the Great Barrier Reef is in crisis are not true"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqFF...ggKE5j-0NUaNJM

[Cliff Bowman]

Six countries are responsible for 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans, China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Viet Nam, Sri Lanka, and Thailand. Good luck on stopping that, packs.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Six countries are responsible for 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans, China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Viet Nam, Sri Lanka, and Thailand. Good luck on stopping that, packs.

Yes, it's unbelievable what gets dumped in these places.

If I knew some of the carbon tax we pay up here in Canada for this global warming scam was being spent trying to help these countries, I'd be a little more receptive to it, but, unfortunately, I know it is not and is just being squandered or sent to the U.N. and/or George Soros to assist him with his Globalization agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVnMBGXVVUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSXB-lRAp0

You guys are lucky Trump did not buy in and was able to recognize what a job killing, tax grab, scam/hoax this was.
Trudeau, through his policies and red tape (Global warming B.S) have chased billions and billions of investment dollars and thousands and thousands of jobs out of this country.
He tells the sheep we are in a Climate emergency here in Canada and they actually believe it.

Can you imagine, a country like ours with one of the lowest populations and one of the most green countries worldwide is in an actual climate emergency, but places like China, India Pakistan are not.

[irv]

Double tap.

[Cliff Bowman]

packs, here are the top twenty rivers in the world that contribute garbage that makes it out to the oceans. Now who is the problem? ETA: I'm sorry but I have to say this. I have no doubt that you are very well educated with a college degree and have a well paying white collar job, but it blows my mind how ignorant and biased you are to believe that the USA is largely responsible for or can even do anything about the garbage patches in the oceans. What did they teach you in college? It certainly wasn't the truth or common sense.

[2dueces]

ng,” according to Bailey. Here are 18 examples of the spectacularly wrong predictions made around 1970 when the “green holy day” (aka Earth Day) started:
1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.
3. The day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned, “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
5. “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
6. Ehrlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”
7. “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” declared Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for Earth Day, in the Spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness.
8. Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
9. In January 1970, Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
10. Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
11. Barry Commoner predicted that decaying organic pollutants would use up all of the oxygen in America’s rivers, causing freshwater fish to suffocate.
12. Paul Ehrlich chimed in, predicting in his 1970 that “air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” Ehrlich sketched a scenario in which 200,000 Americans would die in 1973 during “smog disasters” in New York and Los Angeles.
13. Paul Ehrlich warned in the May 1970 issue of Audubon that DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbons “may have substantially reduced the life expectancy of people born since 1945.” Ehrlich warned that Americans born since 1946…now had a life expectancy of only 49 years, and he predicted that if current patterns continued this expectancy would reach 42 years by 1980, when it might level out.
14. Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.'”
15. Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.
16. Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look that, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
17. In 1975, Paul Ehrlich predicted that “since more than nine-tenths of the original tropical rainforests will be removed in most areas within the next 30 years or so, it is expected that half of the organisms in these areas will vanish with it.”
18. Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

[2dueces]

Hard to take anything these so called “Scientists “ predict seriously.
We can solve all your problems just send money and it’ll be ok.
Climate change, war on drugs etc. I call BS to all of it.
When the earth is done with us it’ll burp and all you see will be
Buried 100 ft underground and some new species will
dig us up 60 million years from now.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

packs, here are the top twenty rivers in the world that contribute garbage that makes it out to the oceans. Now who is the problem? ETA: I'm sorry but I have to say this. I have no doubt that you are very well educated with a college degree and have a well paying white collar job, but it blows my mind how ignorant and biased you are to believe that the USA is largely responsible for or can even do anything about the garbage patches in the oceans. What did they teach you in college? It certainly wasn't the truth or common sense.

One has to wonder how did all these impoverished third world countries get all that plastic.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-global-crisis

It's kind of ignorant and biased to think that we don't contribute anything to the problem, isn't it? Kind of naive also imo.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

One has to wonder how did all these impoverished third world countries get all that plastic.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-global-crisis

It's kind of ignorant and biased to think that we don't contribute anything to the problem, isn't it? Kind of naive also imo.

It’s our fault that 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans comes from China and five other backwards countries through their carelessness and their choice to do so? Good Lord. ETA: I have no doubt that will work in court for the next guy who is arrested for illegally dumping and telling the judge and jury, “It’s not my fault! You need to charge Home Depot, McDonald’s, Kroger, and Walmart because they are the ones who sold me the packages.”

[Cliff Bowman]

2010 numbers: China 3.53 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean, Indonesia 1.29 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean, USA 0.11 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

It’our fault that 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans comes from China and five other backwards countries through their carelessness and their choice to do so? Good Lord. ETA: I have no doubt that will work in court for the next guy who is arrested for illegally dumping and telling the judge and jury, “It’s not my fault! You need to charge Home Depot, McDonald’s, Kroger, and Walmart because they are the ones who sold me the packages.”

"It's kind of ignorant and biased to think that we don't contribute anything to the problem" = "It’our fault"?? Good Lord indeed.

From the link I provided earlier: "A red flag to researchers is that many of these countries ranked very poorly on metrics of how well they handle their own plastic waste. A study led by the University of Georgia researcher Jenna Jambeck found that Malaysia, the biggest recipient of US plastic recycling since the China ban, mismanaged 55% of its own plastic waste, meaning it was dumped or inadequately disposed of at sites such as open landfills. Indonesia and Vietnam improperly managed 81% and 86%, respectively."

https://www.enjuris.com/car-accident/dram-shop-law.html

"Dram shop laws hold bars, restaurants and other alcohol-selling establishments responsible for serving an inebriated patron who then causes an accident. Even social hosts can be liable for this type of negligence."

[packs]

You guys are taking things I'm talking about on global levels and making them specific to America. I'm also trying to say that the mentality needs to shift to see these things as serious issues and move away from thinking we have an Earth we can do whatever we want to. Again, that's not something I'm pinning on America. But America is just as guilty as having a blasé attitude toward conservation as anyone else is. That has to change locally too.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by packs

You guys are taking things I'm talking about on global levels and making them specific to America. I'm also trying to say that the mentality needs to shift to see these things as serious issues and move away from thinking we have an Earth we can do whatever we want to. Again, that's not something I'm pinning on America. But America is just as guilty as having a blasé attitude toward conservation as anyone else is. That has to change locally too.

In the 70’s the smog was so bad in LA you couldn’t see the sun. Ok maybe not that bad. Rivers so polluted they caught fire. In the past 50 years fish came back. Rivers and streams allow spawning again. We no long just dump or spew deadly toxins at will. Maybe America isn’t perfect but we’ve made huge strides. Our consumption of fossil fuels will always be a sore point but we have no other viable solution. Our CO2 output actually went down this past decade. Unless India, China and the Soviet Union start limiting their pollution any strides we make will be a mere drop in the ocean. Greta didn’t dare confront those countries or she would have been skinned alive. Hell, she was practically run out on a rail in Canada. Doubt she’ll be making any trips north of the boarder soon.

In case this is an opinion that needs my full name. JOSEPH MICHAEL BRENNAN

[Marckus99]

Edited for those looking for “safe spaces”.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Marckus99

Edited.
Seriously.

T2020.

That certainly came out of left field .

[Mark17]

Explanation of the Green New Deal in The New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/c...s-answers.html

"The goal of the Green New Deal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in order to avoid the worst consequences of climate change while also trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice."

Now, does "trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice" sound more like hard climate science, or liberal social engineering?

In a nutshell, this is what the whole man made global warming movement is all about.

[ALR-bishop]

Was in Antarctica in late January and early February ( pics in last page of Around the World thread). I did see some green ice