The real, unseen side of The Green New Deal.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

packs, here are the top twenty rivers in the world that contribute garbage that makes it out to the oceans. Now who is the problem? ETA: I'm sorry but I have to say this. I have no doubt that you are very well educated with a college degree and have a well paying white collar job, but it blows my mind how ignorant and biased you are to believe that the USA is largely responsible for or can even do anything about the garbage patches in the oceans. What did they teach you in college? It certainly wasn't the truth or common sense.

One has to wonder how did all these impoverished third world countries get all that plastic.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-global-crisis

It's kind of ignorant and biased to think that we don't contribute anything to the problem, isn't it? Kind of naive also imo.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

One has to wonder how did all these impoverished third world countries get all that plastic.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-global-crisis

It's kind of ignorant and biased to think that we don't contribute anything to the problem, isn't it? Kind of naive also imo.

It’s our fault that 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans comes from China and five other backwards countries through their carelessness and their choice to do so? Good Lord. ETA: I have no doubt that will work in court for the next guy who is arrested for illegally dumping and telling the judge and jury, “It’s not my fault! You need to charge Home Depot, McDonald’s, Kroger, and Walmart because they are the ones who sold me the packages.”

[Cliff Bowman]

2010 numbers: China 3.53 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean, Indonesia 1.29 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean, USA 0.11 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

2010 numbers: China 3.53 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean, Indonesia 1.29 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean, USA 0.11 million metric tons of garbage that made its way to an ocean.

https://www.plasticpollutioncoalitio...gement-in-2018

1.07 metric tonnes of US plastic waste exported to other countries. 78% went to countries with poor waste management.

Check out Superfund laws. Companies that sent hazardous waste to be handled at another facility are liable for that waste.

The Superfund law (officially the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation and Liability Act, (CERCLA)) imposes liability on parties responsible for, in whole or in part, the presence of hazardous substances at a site.

https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/superfund-liability

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

It’our fault that 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans comes from China and five other backwards countries through their carelessness and their choice to do so? Good Lord. ETA: I have no doubt that will work in court for the next guy who is arrested for illegally dumping and telling the judge and jury, “It’s not my fault! You need to charge Home Depot, McDonald’s, Kroger, and Walmart because they are the ones who sold me the packages.”

"It's kind of ignorant and biased to think that we don't contribute anything to the problem" = "It’our fault"?? Good Lord indeed.

From the link I provided earlier: "A red flag to researchers is that many of these countries ranked very poorly on metrics of how well they handle their own plastic waste. A study led by the University of Georgia researcher Jenna Jambeck found that Malaysia, the biggest recipient of US plastic recycling since the China ban, mismanaged 55% of its own plastic waste, meaning it was dumped or inadequately disposed of at sites such as open landfills. Indonesia and Vietnam improperly managed 81% and 86%, respectively."

https://www.enjuris.com/car-accident/dram-shop-law.html

"Dram shop laws hold bars, restaurants and other alcohol-selling establishments responsible for serving an inebriated patron who then causes an accident. Even social hosts can be liable for this type of negligence."

[Republicaninmass]

Like clothing stores who sell out of shape people spandex.


Wtf is camel toe the new cleavage...seriously

[packs]

You guys are taking things I'm talking about on global levels and making them specific to America. I'm also trying to say that the mentality needs to shift to see these things as serious issues and move away from thinking we have an Earth we can do whatever we want to. Again, that's not something I'm pinning on America. But America is just as guilty as having a blasé attitude toward conservation as anyone else is. That has to change locally too.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by packs

You guys are taking things I'm talking about on global levels and making them specific to America. I'm also trying to say that the mentality needs to shift to see these things as serious issues and move away from thinking we have an Earth we can do whatever we want to. Again, that's not something I'm pinning on America. But America is just as guilty as having a blasé attitude toward conservation as anyone else is. That has to change locally too.

In the 70’s the smog was so bad in LA you couldn’t see the sun. Ok maybe not that bad. Rivers so polluted they caught fire. In the past 50 years fish came back. Rivers and streams allow spawning again. We no long just dump or spew deadly toxins at will. Maybe America isn’t perfect but we’ve made huge strides. Our consumption of fossil fuels will always be a sore point but we have no other viable solution. Our CO2 output actually went down this past decade. Unless India, China and the Soviet Union start limiting their pollution any strides we make will be a mere drop in the ocean. Greta didn’t dare confront those countries or she would have been skinned alive. Hell, she was practically run out on a rail in Canada. Doubt she’ll be making any trips north of the boarder soon.

In case this is an opinion that needs my full name. JOSEPH MICHAEL BRENNAN

[irv]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

In the 70’s the smog was so bad in LA you couldn’t see the sun. Ok maybe not that bad. Rivers so polluted they caught fire. In the past 50 years fish came back. Rivers and streams allow spawning again. We no long just dump or spew deadly toxins at will. Maybe America isn’t perfect but we’ve made huge strides. Our consumption of fossil fuels will always be a sore point but we have no other viable solution. Our CO2 output actually went down this past decade. Unless India, China and the Soviet Union start limiting their pollution any strides we make will be a mere drop in the ocean. Greta didn’t dare confront those countries or she would have been skinned alive. Hell, she was practically run out on a rail in Canada. Doubt she’ll be making any trips north of the boarder soon.

In case this is an opinion that needs my full name. JOSEPH MICHAEL BRENNAN

That is what is so frustrating up here!
We all pay a carbon tax that is based on Global warming, yet we have one of the lowest world's populations, and we are likely one of the greenest countries on the planet.
All this, and our moron in charge up here, with all his other dimwited liberals, say we are in a climate emergency.

We are currently paying .10c a litre more for gas/fuel than we need to be and everything else like groceries, clothing, etc, have also gone up as well.

Even our own Moron leader said once upon a time, we will hardly make scratch but because the sheep feel like they are doing something good, and our moron is always pandering for votes, it was implemented.

[Cliff Bowman]

Just let the thread die, all you are going to do is conjure up Mr. TDS again with all of his nonsense.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Just let the thread die, all you are going to do is conjure up Mr. TDS again with all of his nonsense.

LOL.

I'm sure TDS boy is a little more preoccupied with shifty eyed Shiff and a whole bunch of other corrupt Dem politicians and FBI agents to give this global warming thread much attention.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1258956921907736576

[Marckus99]

Edited for those looking for “safe spaces”.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Marckus99

Edited.
Seriously.

T2020.

That certainly came out of left field .

[Mark17]

Explanation of the Green New Deal in The New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/c...s-answers.html

"The goal of the Green New Deal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in order to avoid the worst consequences of climate change while also trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice."

Now, does "trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice" sound more like hard climate science, or liberal social engineering?

In a nutshell, this is what the whole man made global warming movement is all about.

[ALR-bishop]

Was in Antarctica in late January and early February ( pics in last page of Around the World thread). I did see some green ice

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Explanation of the Green New Deal in The New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/c...s-answers.html

"The goal of the Green New Deal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in order to avoid the worst consequences of climate change while also trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice."

Now, does "trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice" sound more like hard climate science, or liberal social engineering?

In a nutshell, this is what the whole man made global warming movement is all about.

Exactly! Zero to do with the climate/global warming and everything to do with global socialism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22069768

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Now, does "trying to fix societal problems like economic inequality and racial injustice" sound more like hard climate science, or liberal social engineering?

In a nutshell, this is what the whole man made global warming movement is all about.

Originally Posted by irv

Exactly! Zero to do with the climate/global warming and everything to do with global socialism.

Nothing like fear mongering on a non-related issue to deny climate change.

Good, clear thinking there guys!

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Was in Antarctica in late January and early February ( pics in last page of Around the World thread). I did see some green ice

You sure it wasn't a large lime popsicle?

And that brings to mind some lyrics by Frank Zappa. I'm not a Zappa fan, but the lyrics have stayed with me:

"And she said, with a tear in her eye
Watch out where the huskies go,
And don't you eat that yellow snow"