Hey, pennant guys

[doug.goodman]

Speaking about Dodgers pennants.

Long time lurker, infrequent poster, to this thread.

I'm going thru my pennants and have come upon these three.

The one with the play at the plate is in Egner's guide, but only as a Los Angeles version.

Neither of the other two are in there either, unless I'm missing them.

Anybody have any knowledge or thoughts? I don't really consider myself a pennant collector, although I do have some pennants.

Thanx,
Doug

[Duluth Eskimo]

Doug,
All three of those pennants are very difficult and would command very good money. Condition is very nice as well. Don’t be afraid to post over here, there’s lots of good info to be had and we all love pennants.

[perezfan]

Agree with Jason... All 3 of those are nice as well as pretty scarce.

The top one is extremely common as an LA Dodgers Pennant, but quite rare as a Brooklyn Pennant. The combination of it being Brooklyn (as opposed to LA), and having color graphics make it lots more valuable than the frequently seen LA version. It features typical AdFlag artistry, but is about 10 times rarer with colored graphics than just the usual plain white.

The "Our Champs" pennant is small (even for a 3/4 size pennant), but the rarity overcomes its rather diminutive size. I sold mine about 10 years ago, and have only seen a couple since then. It's a charming pennant that tells an endearing story... Almost certainly made prior to 1955, the Bums were perennial contenders and came close many times, but could never quite win it all. So while they were not World Champs, they were "Our Champs".

The third pennant is a somewhat rare 3/4 size variation. I've always felt it was an interesting graphic image... a fine representation of early 1950s artwork.

Very nice trio and great post!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Agree with Jason... All 3 of those are nice as well as pretty scarce.

...

Very nice trio and great post!

Thank you Mark for the info, and both of you for the responses.

I'm in the process of sorting thru my stuff (as I'm sure all of us who find ourselves with unplanned vacations are doing).

I have scanned all of my pennants, but since none of them actually fit on my scanner, I am now piecing the scans together for each one. Once I have finished them all I will upload them to my flickr page, and post a link, for those who care.

If I find any others that I have questions about, I will be sure to ask.

Until them, here's another one I like, even though its bigger than all the rest, so a pain to store. I dated it to 1962 based on Feller & Jackie being the most recent inductees included.

Thanks again,
Doug

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Doug,
All three of those pennants are very difficult and would command very good money. Condition is very nice as well. Don’t be afraid to post over here, there’s lots of good info to be had and we all love pennants.

Thank you Jason.

Any idea what years they would have been released?

I'm thinking late 50s for the green one, due to sharing artwork with the LA release.

50s, maybe 40s for the other two. I have a second "Our Champs" pennant, which is listed by Egner as 1940s, so I'm go with that.

I need to dig thru my records to see where I got them, and how they were listed. I really need to pay better attention to the stuff I pickup. Hahaha.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Speaking about Dodgers pennants.

Long time lurker, infrequent poster, to this thread.

I'm going thru my pennants and have come upon these three.

The one with the play at the plate is in Egner's guide, but only as a Los Angeles version.

Neither of the other two are in there either, unless I'm missing them.

Anybody have any knowledge or thoughts? I don't really consider myself a pennant collector, although I do have some pennants.

Thanx,
Doug

Great pennants Doug. Interesting, I have the top pennant in colors, although mine are a bit faded. The cloud of dust behind the catcher in mine appears to have been a different color ... more gray than gold. Also the threads in your spine are black and mine is white. Very cool!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Great pennants Doug. Interesting, I have the top pennant in colors, although mine are a bit faded. The cloud of dust behind the catcher in mine appears to have been a different color ... more gray than gold. Also the threads in your spine are black and mine is white. Very cool!

That's a nice looking variation, Greg!

I have been going through many of my 1950s - 60s pennants, and cannot believe the number of subtle color variations that exist. Even the somewhat common "Stadium" pennants can have up to 6 or 7 variations when you look closely. So many of the color combinations are actually quite scarce, if you know what to look for.

Maybe some day, more collectors will know to look for (and appreciate) some of these subtle nuances. If collecting pennants was like collecting cards, many of these rarities would sell for really big bucks. Sometimes I wish the collector base for pennants wasn't so thin, and that these things were more appreciated. But I suppose it's nice that we can still collect them for relatively cheap prices, and without such fierce competition.

Below is one such example of an otherwise common White Sox pennant. The Blue example features a white infield, and white hands and face. The red example features a tan infield, tan hands, and beige face. Both are rare with the colored graphics, as the pennant is normally found with graphics that are just white. Not sure who really cares... but for those who do, there are hundreds of other hidden rarities just waiting to be discovered.

[ooo-ribay]

Didn’t you mention an upcoming pennant sale, Mark?

Any Giants?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Didn’t you mention an upcoming pennant sale, Mark?

Any Giants?

Sorry Rob...

I sold/traded a bunch in an unexpected private sale, and it took lots of time. I still have quite a few available, some of which I'll try to list on B/S/T later tonight. But any Giants pennants that I would unload are ones I'm pretty sure you already have, or would not excite you much.

But I'll keep digging... thanks!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Sorry Rob...

I sold/traded a bunch in an unexpected private sale, and it took lots of time. I still have quite a few available, some of which I'll try to list on B/S/T later tonight. But any Giants pennants that I would unload are ones I'm pretty sure you already have, or would not excite you much.

But I'll keep digging... thanks!

Mark ... got any old Phillies or A’s pennants to put up for sale?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Mark ... got any old Phillies or A’s pennants to put up for sale?

Tough to envision any that you don't already have, haha.

I did find this beauty... Any interest, just shoot me an email or PM.

Thanks!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That's a nice looking variation, Greg!

I have been going through many of my 1950s - 60s pennants, and cannot believe the number of subtle color variations that exist. Even the somewhat common "Stadium" pennants can have up to 6 or 7 variations when you look closely. So many of the color combinations are actually quite scarce, if you know what to look for.

Maybe some day, more collectors will know to look for (and appreciate) some of these subtle nuances. If collecting pennants was like collecting cards, many of these rarities would sell for really big bucks. Sometimes I wish the collector base for pennants wasn't so thin, and that these things were more appreciated. But I suppose it's nice that we can still collect them for relatively cheap prices, and without such fierce competition.

Below is one such example of an otherwise common White Sox pennant. The Blue example features a white infield, and white hands and face. The red example features a tan infield, tan hands, and beige face. Both are rare with the colored graphics, as the pennant is normally found with graphics that are just white. Not sure who really cares... but for those who do, there are hundreds of other hidden rarities just waiting to be discovered.

I think we can now say with confidence that those Sox pennants were made by the same company as my favorite early 50s series (same winged sock logo) and check out the Comiskey Park graphic

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I think we can now say with confidence that those Sox pennants were made by the same company as my favorite early 50s series (same winged sock logo) and check out the Comiskey Park graphic

Wow, GREAT observation... I never would have put those together!

(No A's or Phillies, but will re-look at what I should part with.) Stay tuned, Greg...

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That's a nice looking variation, Greg!

I have been going through many of my 1950s - 60s pennants, and cannot believe the number of subtle color variations that exist. Even the somewhat common "Stadium" pennants can have up to 6 or 7 variations when you look closely. So many of the color combinations are actually quite scarce, if you know what to look for.

Maybe some day, more collectors will know to look for (and appreciate) some of these subtle nuances. If collecting pennants was like collecting cards, many of these rarities would sell for really big bucks. Sometimes I wish the collector base for pennants wasn't so thin, and that these things were more appreciated. But I suppose it's nice that we can still collect them for relatively cheap prices, and without such fierce competition.

Below is one such example of an otherwise common White Sox pennant. The Blue example features a white infield, and white hands and face. The red example features a tan infield, tan hands, and beige face. Both are rare with the colored graphics, as the pennant is normally found with graphics that are just white. Not sure who really cares... but for those who do, there are hundreds of other hidden rarities just waiting to be discovered.

I'm definitely in the "caring" group. I've amused myself hunting variations like this for a while now. Don't think Joe Average Pennant collector recognizes or pays a premium for a rare variation..which is good for us in the short term. We just have to get the word out and educate collectors by the time we go to sell our collections.

[doug.goodman]

I finished my pennant project tonight. Here they are :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggoodman/



I found a couple from the Brooklyn years that again I'm curious as to the thoughts of the experts who frequent this thread. They are also pictured below.

There is a 1950s 14" batter / pitcher pennant in the guide with similar artwork, but the batter's pose is different, with no flag. Also, mine is full sized.

The pins were attached to the Ebbets pennant when I got it, and I figured why take them off.

I also found a bunch of LA pennants that aren't in Egner's book, but many of them are from the 70s, when I think there are just too many to list.

Below are a few of the earlier ones. The jumping fielder I think would be from early in the LA era, because I see that as the coliseum below him.

Doug

[jsage]

Doug -
WOW - VERY IMPRESSIVE DODGER PENNANT COLLECTION.
Jerry Sage

[rlevy]

Doug, great collection of Dodger pennants!! I can't believe you just had these stashed away somewhere.

Rick

[Domer05]

Doug:

You have a few toughies there for sure. Never seen that '62 phantom photo + sash pennant before. Trench made another phantom for the '62 Dodgers that lacked the sash + photo; but did include facsimile signatures of the players from that roster. That one, however, is the far more common of the two. Yours is quite rare.

As to that Brooklyn Dodgers pennant with the pinbacks on it ... are you certain its vintage? I am certain this was offered as a 1980s-era reproduction of a design style that, as far as I know, was never offered in the 1950s. I've heard other Brooklyn collectors debate this pennant's authenticity, so I'll be curious what others on this thread think....