Hey, pennant guys

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Doug:

As to that Brooklyn Dodgers pennant with the pinbacks on it ... are you certain its vintage? I am certain this was offered as a 1980s-era reproduction of a design style that, as far as I know, was never offered in the 1950s. I've heard other Brooklyn collectors debate this pennant's authenticity, so I'll be curious what others on this thread think....

Thank you guys for the kind words about my collection, as to Domer's question, I'm not certain of anything having to do with pennants (or most other things, ha!).

When I was a kid, I always bought pennants when I went to games (they were $1 as I remember), then stapled them to my bedroom walls, with a big circle of them on the ceiling. I believe all of those are in my parents attic, so I suppose at some point I need to track them down. I have been picking up "collectible" pennants for many years when I liked the visual, and I thought I was getting a good price, then they would go on the stack.

I'll take a closer look at the one with the pins and maybe post some better pix, if I think there is anything to look at closer.

Just because I have no real knowledge of pennants, I have always figured that there must be something in the stack that wasn't what I thought it was, and have particularly been "concerned" that one of the 1963 WS pennants was bad. The one with the more narrow placement of the tassels, has always piqued my spidey senses. It's a very soft felt, the only "stiff" feel to any of it is where it's printed, it almost feels like patches (but it is printed). Neither has anything on the back.

Doug


PS :
Rob - I like that one with the Golden Gate bridge and the batter. I feel like I remember that one from growing up going to (contrary to my collection) Candlestick as a kid. So what if I'm a NorCal Dodger fan, what's wrong with that?

[perezfan]

Doug, that is a fantastic Dodgers Pennant Collection!

Some incredibly rare ones there... some of which may not surface again in the next decade. It would take forever to amass a collection like that today.

Domer was right however, about the one with the Pinbacks in it. The Pins are legit, but that particular pennant is indeed a 1980s reproduction. If you look closely, you'll see the felt is different, and there are probably a few of them on eBay as we speak. Seems like half of the eBay Sellers properly describe them as Repros, and half just let it slide.

But all the others are 100% original and magnificent. Thanks for sharing those incredible treasures with us!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Thank you guys for the kind words about my collection, as to Domer's question, I'm not certain of anything having to do with pennants (or most other things, ha!).

When I was a kid, I always bought pennants when I went to games (they were $1 as I remember), then stapled them to my bedroom walls, with a big circle of them on the ceiling. I believe all of those are in my parents attic, so I suppose at some point I need to track them down. I have been picking up "collectible" pennants for many years when I liked the visual, and I thought I was getting a good price, then they would go on the stack.

I'll take a closer look at the one with the pins and maybe post some better pix, if I think there is anything to look at closer.

Just because I have no real knowledge of pennants, I have always figured that there must be something in the stack that wasn't what I thought it was, and have particularly been "concerned" that one of the 1963 WS pennants was bad. The one with the more narrow placement of the tassels, has always piqued my spidey senses. It's a very soft felt, the only "stiff" feel to any of it is where it's printed, it almost feels like patches (but it is printed). Neither has anything on the back.

Doug


PS :
Rob - I like that one with the Golden Gate bridge and the batter. I feel like I remember that one from growing up going to (contrary to my collection) Candlestick as a kid. So what if I'm a NorCal Dodger fan, what's wrong with that?

Good senses... The narrow tassels version is the reproduction. Mitchell & Ness did this with the majority of their offerings, and it is the first tip-off that the pennant isn't vintage.

Some original pennants had the two sets of tassels placed close together like that, but they were from the 1940s and 50s (and typically featured the thinner "Spaghetti Tassels"). That phenomenon disappeared later in the '50s, and was beyond extinct by 1963 (the supposed year of that pennant).

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Domer was right however, about the one with the Pinbacks in it. The Pins are legit, but that particular pennant is indeed a 1980s reproduction. If you look closely, you'll see the felt is different, and there are probably a few of them on eBay as we speak. Seems like half of the eBay Sellers properly describe them as Repros, and half just let it slide.

Originally Posted by perezfan

Good senses... The narrow tassels version is the reproduction. Mitchell & Ness did this with the majority of their offerings, and it is the first tip-off that the pennant isn't vintage.

Some original pennants had the two sets of tassels placed close together like that, but they were from the 1940s and 50s (and typically featured the thinner "Spaghetti Tassels"). That phenomenon disappeared later in the '50s, and was beyond extinct by 1963 (the supposed year of that pennant).

Thank you very much for the info.

The knowledge on the board never fails to astound me.

I appreciate all the help from you guys.

Doug

[thetahat]

Another thing to look for as far as determining repro vs legit ... the thread used to sew the spine. By the 80s they were using a plastic-like thread. Hard to describe but when you compare to vintage pennants it jumps out at you.

Here are other repros, maybe from the same lot, often they are passed on as “vintage” on eBay

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Another thing to look for as far as determining repro vs legit ... the thread used to sew the spine. By the 80s they were using a plastic-like thread. Hard to describe but when you compare to vintage pennants it jumps out at you.

Thank you.

My main way of avoiding repros, which I have to say after the comments on this thread about my collection have shown that I have done a pretty good job of, is in regards to purchasing habits. I made the decision long ago to buy mostly from well know and / or reputable sellers. If anything gives me pause, I just avoid it. "Auction fever" is not my style.

I have learned in my quest for baseball magazine supplements that there is always another one lurking in the future. Although that Newcombe portrait version m114 that I missed will keep bugging me until that legendary "another one" finally makes an appearance. Hahaha.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Doug,
You have a really great pennant collection. I’m a big fan. You have some real tough ones in that group. I like the fact that you have so many examples. I have a number of similar Yankees ones that match some of yours. Great group.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Another thing to look for as far as determining repro vs legit ... the thread used to sew the spine. By the 80s they were using a plastic-like thread. Hard to describe but when you compare to vintage pennants it jumps out at you.

Here are other repros, maybe from the same lot, often they are passed on as “vintage” on eBay

The New York Giants isn’t even a good looking pennant.

[bocca001]

I agree with everyone here, Doug. Nice thorough Dodgers collection.

Based on some of your other posts, I was hoping to hear that you picked these up traveling around the country for music related events.

[thetahat]

This one’s a bit late but I’m watching a documentary on the history of the STL Browns and snapped this pic

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I agree with everyone here, Doug. Nice thorough Dodgers collection.

Based on some of your other posts, I was hoping to hear that you picked these up traveling around the country for music related events.

Sadly, I'm not sure that I have ever picked one up on the road, and I have been to hundreds of baseball card stores (back when they still existed) and hundreds of second hand stores / antique malls (one of my bosses, the one who likes Disneyland, loves stopping at them on our drives).

But, never having found one doesn't stop me from always looking.

Doug