Now on Ebay! 1950's Brooklyn Dodgers Signed Baseball, Jackie Robinson, Campanella

[luciobar1980]

That's pretty cool, I guess either way the ball is an interesting piece. You link didn't work but here it is:

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...row-digiovanna

[earlywynnfan]

So, not to be a jerk or anything, but you bought a ball PSA'd as clubhouse. The seller felt it didn't have enough value to pay to have it returned. The opinions on here are clubhouse, esp. the Jackie. You even say you don't like the Jackie.

So what do you do? You post it on ebay saying "PSA says clubhouse, but I say most of the autos are real." You even list the Jackie that you don't like as the featured player! Not quite a lie, but I'd say very far from full disclosure. You specifically started this thread because you didn't like how the original seller listed this, and what do you do? You relist it with just as much shadiness. Looks like yet another ebay seller posting enough info to cover your a** with true collectors, but just maybe you'll catch a fish.

IMHO, this is crap. My ebay handle is earlywynnfan. Please block me so I don't accidentally bid with you.

Ken

[luciobar1980]

Dude, leave me alone. I fully explain everything in the auction. I still believe most of them are real, as I say in the auction. People can bid how they want. Do I have to hold every person’s hand. I think I explained everything pretty thoroughly. Definitely not as much shadiness as the original seller, sorry, I disagree. Do you want me to say ALL OF THESE SIGNATURES ARE CLUBHOUSE??! I don’t actually believe that. It’s possible though, and any person is free to bid or not bid accordingly.

[aelefson]

I completely agree with Ken. You asked for opinions and you basically ignored them and hope someone else is foolish enough to buy it. Your title and description is very misleading. That is not a good move on your part if you want credibility in future transactions.


Alan Elefson

[luciobar1980]

What would you like me to add to the auction? Honestly. I'm not going to say "these are all secretarial", because I don't know that. I didn't ignore the opinions, I've taken them into account and described what I believe in the auction. I really don't know what else you want me to say. People have to look at it and form their own opinions and do research. Do I have to lead them right to this thread?

[luciobar1980]

Added this to the auction:

Since I've gotten some inquiries about the ball, let me say it perfectly plainly. SOME OR ALL OF THESE SIGNATURES MAY BE SECRETARIAL. I do not know for sure. There was a Dodger batboy named Charlie "The Brow" DiGiovanna who was known to sign in place of many of the players. Either way, a very cool piece of Dodgers memorabilia.

[luciobar1980]

I think anyone who bids at this point should understand, and if they don't they have no business bidding on the ball at all.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Added this to the auction:

Since I've gotten some inquiries about the ball, let me say it perfectly plainly. SOME OR ALL OF THESE SIGNATURES MAY BE SECRETARIAL. I do not know for sure. There was a Dodger batboy named Charlie "The Brow" DiGiovanna who was known to sign in place of many of the players. Either way, a very cool piece of Dodgers memorabilia.

The PSA letter, which you are referring to in your listing, says all 3 baseballs it inspected in that lot were clubhouse signatures. If any were deemed authentic, they would list those separately. They didn't bother, because all were deemed clubhouse. I know you are finding this hard to believe, but none are authentic. It isn't even one of Charlie's better works.

I also think you should have "Clubhouse signatures" with an explanation of what that means, prominently displayed at the top of your description. While I agree with you that bidders should read everything, if it were me, I would have Clubhouse at the top.

Rick

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

... I'm not going to say "these are all secretarial", because I don't know that...

Actually, based on the letter from the paid opinion givers, you DO know that.

Doug "blaming the bidders is an easy way out" Goodman

[bigfanNY]

I agree with others that your Ebay listing is "Bad Behavior " on many levels. If you really believed that you are right and the folks here that offered you their free opinions based on combined decades if not centuries of experience are wrong. About even ONE of the signatures then you would send it to PSA and see what they say.
Oh Sorry ,My Bad, PSA has already said they were all Clubhouse.
So the only reason you would even suggest in your listing that one or more of the signatures was real is because you have bad intent.
I wonder if after you sell the ball the buyer starts a return because the listing made statements that led them to believe it is something it is not. Will you refund all their money and let them keep the ball?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Dude, leave me alone. I fully explain everything in the auction. I still believe most of them are real, as I say in the auction. People can bid how they want. Do I have to hold every person’s hand. I think I explained everything pretty thoroughly. Definitely not as much shadiness as the original seller, sorry, I disagree. Do you want me to say ALL OF THESE SIGNATURES ARE CLUBHOUSE??! I don’t actually believe that. It’s possible though, and any person is free to bid or not bid accordingly.

I believe in the tooth fairy too Why didn't you just keep the ball or send it back anyway? Didn't the seller credit you?

You're doing exactly what the owner of the ball did to you in the description, no?

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

So, not to be a jerk or anything...

Ken

There is a jerk on this thread Ken, but it's not you.

Doug "although it might be me" Goodman

[Bpm0014]

You relist it with just as much shadiness

Completely agree. Scumbag move.

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

You relist it with just as much shadiness

Completely agree. Scumbag move.

Unnecessary. Not cool. Go away.

[luciobar1980]

Furthermore, if I had just described these as Clubhouse Signatures as several people have suggested, that is not necessarily a transparent term to everyone. I myself thought that that meant that the ball was signed "in the Clubhouse" by the players. It wasn't until after I bought the ball that I realized what that meant.

So, by simply saying Clubhouse Signatures in the title, that doesn't really inform many people who don't know the term anything. Instead, I just said "signed ball" in the title and then went on to describe what that means in the description. Seriously! You guys are seeing this the way you want to so you can gang up on me. No halfway-intelligent collector would have been mislead by my auction even as it was originally, before i added to the description. If you believe otherwise, you might not be halfway-intelligent yourself.

[luciobar1980]

And with that, I'm done. I won't be checking this thread anymore. Good luck to all.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

There is a jerk on this thread Ken, but it's not you.

Doug "although it might be me" Goodman

Thanks, although my wife might disagree with you!

[Jim65]

It always amazes me that people have so little regard for their reputation.

[luciobar1980]

Did you guys even read everything I added to the auction? Calling me a jerk, etc, is really unneccessary and says more about you than it does about me. But of course no one here will see this from my point of view. Everyone on their high horse and mob rule as usual.. no surprise.

[luciobar1980]

I took everyone's feedback and added to the description. I was not trying to mislead anyone. I took what I knew or believed at the time and created the auction.

If you knew me you wouldn't be talking to me like I'm some scumbag seller. I've never had an unhappy customer, always accept returns and have even refunded people many times without even requiring a return.

I have sold comic books and baseball cards and have never been accused of misleading anyone.

That's my reputation. If you find this listing to be fraudulent or misleading, even after reading what I've added to the auction, then you're just seeing what you want to see and taking out your frustrations and insecurities on me. You are all perfect and virtuous, I get it.