Let's welcome Charlie Barokas to the Billion Dollar Fraud!

[perezfan]

Might not be a billion (yet).

But what’s been exposed is merely the tip of the iceberg. I wouldn’t be surprised if that number becomes fact after a couple more years.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Might not be a billion (yet).

But what’s been exposed is merely the tip of the iceberg. I wouldn’t be surprised if that number becomes fact after a couple more years.

Would you take the over/under it's a billion?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Would you take the over/under it's a billion?

I would 100% take the over.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I would 100% take the over.

Didnt they try adding on BO and didnt get to 1 million?

I bet there's a Brazilian trimmed cards

(Pele)

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Didnt they try adding on BO and didnt get to 1 million?

I bet there's a Brazilian trimmed cards

(Pele)

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I have no idea if they tried that on BO. I really don't watch it that close.

Isn't there a PSA 8 that is several million by itself?

Even if they got to $500K on blowout do you think they have uncovered even 1/2000th of the dollar amount of ALL altered cards, I don't. I would think with all the altered cards out there they would be lucky to have uncovered that percentage so far.

Just my silly honest opinion.

[jmarascojr]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I think it's great what BODA has done, but don't these guys have anything better to do than to just sit there examining COMMONS all day long? I seriously don't give two sh*ts about Billy Cox and Gene Ronzani.

I want to see something BIG, man! Let's see some trimmed WATERFRONT cards, guys! Show the world some trimmed Mantles, Mays, Robinsons, Ruths, Gehrigs, Cobbs, Clementes, Aarons, etc.

You should really take a look at the number of threads over on BO, specifically in the baseball section.... They have outted cards connected to a majority of HOFers you have listed above...

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Didnt they try adding on BO and didnt get to 1 million?

I bet there's a Brazilian trimmed cards

(Pele)

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They outted a couple Pele cards in the last couple of days....

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

You should really take a look at the number of threads over on BO, specifically in the baseball section.... They have outted cards connected to a majority of HOFers you have listed above...
[/B]

A 1965 Topps Koufax is not a waterfront card and nor is a 1968 Willie Mays card.

If you don't know what a waterfront card is, then search some past threads on this site where collectors discuss them.

The only waterfront card I remember seeing that was trimmed was a 1958 Topps Bobby Hull rookie. I remember the 1952 Topps Mantle as well, but I don't believe that one was trimmed. I think the corners got pressed down or something like that. And then there was that Cracker Jack Joe Jackson which was soaked - that was a bad one too. Otherwise, I have no interest in reading through thousands of pages discussing crappy cards.

[buymycards]

I have been collecting for a long time and I have never heard the term "waterfront" in regard to sports cards.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Otherwise, I have no interest in reading through thousands of pages discussing crappy cards.

Why do they have to cater to your needs? Superinflated ego?

[todeen]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

A 1965 Topps Koufax is not a waterfront card and nor is a 1968 Willie Mays card.

If you don't know what a waterfront card is, then search some past threads on this site where collectors discuss them.

The only waterfront card I remember seeing that was trimmed was a 1958 Topps Bobby Hull rookie. I remember the 1952 Topps Mantle as well, but I don't believe that one was trimmed. I think the corners got pressed down or something like that. And then there was that Cracker Jack Joe Jackson which was soaked - that was a bad one too. Otherwise, I have no interest in reading through thousands of pages discussing crappy cards.

Isn't the T206 Wagner Gretzky card altered? It was altered in the 1980s, and slabbed in the 1990s. And about a month ago, I believe Blowout outed a Babe Ruth Goudey card, altered by the former football player.

If I have to take over/under on $1 Billion of fraud, I am taking over. You have to consider that the fraud is running at almost 30 years deep since PSA claimed the Wagner was an 8 NM-MT. How many of these altered cards, even altered commons, from the 1980s, have been sold, resold, resold, resold, resold.....

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

A 1965 Topps Koufax is not a waterfront card and nor is a 1968 Willie Mays card.

If you don't know what a waterfront card is, then search some past threads on this site where collectors discuss them.

The only waterfront card I remember seeing that was trimmed was a 1958 Topps Bobby Hull rookie. I remember the 1952 Topps Mantle as well, but I don't believe that one was trimmed. I think the corners got pressed down or something like that. And then there was that Cracker Jack Joe Jackson which was soaked - that was a bad one too. Otherwise, I have no interest in reading through thousands of pages discussing crappy cards.

This entire card selling business thing is HOME ON THE "WATERFRONT".

It's easily a billion, but is it multi-billion dollar scheme? Some would argue no. It's just a billion dollar fraud, only. So keep on submitting while they sit on their hands over there at your favorite Pop store. While they continue to shear you like a baby lamb.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

A 1965 Topps Koufax is not a waterfront card and nor is a 1968 Willie Mays card.

If you don't know what a waterfront card is, then search some past threads on this site where collectors discuss them.

The only waterfront card I remember seeing that was trimmed was a 1958 Topps Bobby Hull rookie. I remember the 1952 Topps Mantle as well, but I don't believe that one was trimmed. I think the corners got pressed down or something like that. And then there was that Cracker Jack Joe Jackson which was soaked - that was a bad one too. Otherwise, I have no interest in reading through thousands of pages discussing crappy cards.

Well, thank goodness the elitists don't have to worry about their cards being altered

Maybe there's another forum that keeps us riff raff out? Like maybe over at CU?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Didnt they try adding on BO and didnt get to 1 million?

They cleared a million easily with just the PWCC thread.

[Republicaninmass]

One billion

Not 10 million

Not 100 million

That's 1000 million

[trambo]

I would imagine if you grabbed all of the trimmed cards from the inception of the hobby to today you may get a billion dollars in value changes. I would also imagine that if you put it to the current situation that you would get far, far less than a billion of improved value. As I said yesterday, just because people keep saying it doesn't make it so. A billion is a bunch. This isn't a billion. Don't get me wrong, it's bad when people cheat but a billion...no way.

I've also been wondering what people's thoughts are regarding the % of cards graded that are actually tainted in some way. I would guess that number to be pretty low but am curious if anyone else had a thought. I'm thinking < 1% of cards graded. No data to support it but it's just my hunch.