Let's welcome Charlie Barokas to the Billion Dollar Fraud!

samosa4u · #1 01-25-2020, 11:27 AM

I think it's great what BODA has done, but don't these guys have anything better to do than to just sit there examining COMMONS all day long? I seriously don't give two sh*ts about Billy Cox and Gene Ronzani.

I want to see something BIG, man! Let's see some trimmed WATERFRONT cards, guys! Show the world some trimmed Mantles, Mays, Robinsons, Ruths, Gehrigs, Cobbs, Clementes, Aarons, etc.

Republicaninmass · #2 01-25-2020, 11:32 AM

Happened to see one card in the last page was like a 19k gainer.

Johnny630 · #3 01-25-2020, 11:32 AM

Johnny Unitas this broke my heart!!!

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=254

Registry is False

Pop Report is False

MarketPlace is False and Highly Manipulated

rats60 · #4 01-25-2020, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

Johnny Unitas this broke my heart!!!

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=254

Registry is False

Pop Report is False

MarketPlace is False and Highly Manipulated

This is the sad thing. A NM card is special. Now it is ruined.

Johnny630 · #5 01-25-2020, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

This is the sad thing. A NM card is special. Now it is ruined.

It will be cracked.....we are back to square one....a fake Opinion Giving Company Could Very Well Slab Again for Some New Favorite Invitational Customer

Registry is Fake

Pop Report is Fake

We know they need us more then we need them our volume has never been higher keep quiet the suckers aren’t going to stop sending us cards
It’s gold Jerry Gold

Republicaninmass · #6 01-25-2020, 12:15 PM

A billion is a thousand million. I think we are a little far from that.

Nothing like sensationalism

trambo · #7 01-25-2020, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

A billion is a thousand million. I think we are a little far from that.

Nothing like sensationalism

No truer words have been spoken! Seems that the mantra of the OP is "billion dollar fraud."

Saying it hundreds of times doesn't make it so. Appreciate there's some big issues but i'd agree it's not a billion.

perezfan · #8 01-25-2020, 03:15 PM

Might not be a billion (yet).

But what’s been exposed is merely the tip of the iceberg. I wouldn’t be surprised if that number becomes fact after a couple more years.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #9 01-26-2020, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

This is the sad thing. A NM card is special. Now it is ruined.

An EX tobacco card used to be the prize of a collection.

rats60 · #10 01-26-2020, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

An EX tobacco card used to be the prize of a collection.

It still is over an 8 or 9 that you know has been altered to get in that slab.

BeanTown · #11 01-26-2020, 10:59 AM

Not to mention, how many times an altered card gets submitted for grading. With the quest for PSAs coveted blessing, the pop of graded cards is going through the roof!

perezfan · #12 01-26-2020, 12:41 PM

Regarding the term "Billion Dollar Fraud"... there is more to it than just the altered cards themselves. Sure the cards alone could exceed a billion some day, if only 1 - 2% of the fraud has been uncovered to date. It is very difficult to research and expose these cards, since eBay hides identities and thus protects criminals. So God only knows how many more have yet to be revealed.

That said, there are other factors that contribute to the $1 Billion number...

Massive cumulative Ebay fees taken in on the altered cards
Buyers and Sellers commissions received by auction houses
PSA fees for grading and continually re-grading altered cards

So the tangential beneficiaries in the scam are eBay, auction houses, dealers and especially the profit-based "turn a blind eye" TPGs. All of these beneficiaries are in addition to the owners of these tainted cards. With all of this related "income" factored in, I am confident it will eventually exceed the Billion Dollar mark.

That is, unless the FBI can put a stop to it, make the appropriate arrests, and shut down the guilty parties. Since the bulk of collectors don't seen to even know or care, Law Enforcement seems to be our only hope to stop short of the Billion.

Phil68 · #13 01-25-2020, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

Johnny Unitas this broke my heart!!!

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=254

Registry is False

Pop Report is False

MarketPlace is False and Highly Manipulated

With you, Johnny. The Unitas was a gorgeous card just as it was. SMDH

Phil68 · #14 01-25-2020, 12:24 PM

This whole thing saddens me. Charlie is a photo fanatic, like myself. Spectacular collector. SUCH a nice guy.
Integrity is a very simple thing; it really is. Compromising it becomes a habit for some people, I guess. I don't want to believe this but the evidence is certainly strong. This is the first time this thing has really sunk in. Damned shame.

btcarfagno · #15 01-25-2020, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I think it's great what BODA has done, but don't these guys have anything better to do than to just sit there examining COMMONS all day long? I seriously don't give two sh*ts about Billy Cox and Gene Ronzani.

I want to see something BIG, man! Let's see some trimmed WATERFRONT cards, guys! Show the world some trimmed Mantles, Mays, Robinsons, Ruths, Gehrigs, Cobbs, Clementes, Aarons, etc.

Have you not been paying attention? The number of five figure cards is staggering. And it's just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Trimmers are going to Target lower value cards because "working on" a card already worth four figures has too much downside. But they are out there if you have been paying attention.

samosa4u · #16 01-25-2020, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Trimmers are going to Target lower value cards because "working on" a card already worth four figures has too much downside.

Yeah, this is what I figured. Almost every card that has been outed by BODA is a common. It's definitely a lot more difficult to trim a waterfront card and get away with it. For example, if you trim a Goudey Ruth, then it's definitely going to get measured and looked at by three or four different graders.

ullmandds · #17 01-25-2020, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

Yeah, this is what I figured. Almost every card that has been outed by BODA is a common. It's definitely a lot more difficult to trim a waterfront card and get away with it. For example, if you trim a Goudey Ruth, then it's definitely going to get measured and looked at by three or four different graders.

Ya right!

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #18 01-25-2020, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I seriously don't give two sh*ts about Billy Cox

Maybe you should try getting to know me before putting your line in the sand.

Fuddjcal · #19 01-25-2020, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I think it's great what BODA has done, but don't these guys have anything better to do than to just sit there examining COMMONS all day long? I seriously don't give two sh*ts about Billy Cox and Gene Ronzani.

I want to see something BIG, man! Let's see some trimmed WATERFRONT cards, guys! Show the world some trimmed Mantles, Mays, Robinsons, Ruths, Gehrigs, Cobbs, Clementes, Aarons, etc.

What about the Johnny Unitas they make 18K on. Or the Mick "Ten" glehoff for 600.

That's the beauty of the gig. make 700 on some no name and move on. It's all in the POP my friend, All in the POP

midmo · #20 01-26-2020, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I want to see something BIG, man! Let's see some trimmed WATERFRONT cards, guys! Show the world some trimmed Mantles, Mays, Robinsons, Ruths, Gehrigs, Cobbs, Clementes, Aarons, etc.

Stampsfan · #21 01-27-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by midmo

There are tons of them. I just did a quick browse of one of the blowout threads...

Is that all you could come up with in a short time? Sheeesh.

WhenItWasAHobby · #22 01-27-2020, 12:30 PM

Reading through the Blowout link, the person of topic actually posted on Net54 regarding his position (or better put: denials) on trimming.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...6&postcount=11

Exhibitman · #23 01-27-2020, 01:01 PM

What would PSA's CEO say?

1952boyntoncollector · #24 01-26-2020, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I think it's great what BODA has done, but don't these guys have anything better to do than to just sit there examining COMMONS all day long? I seriously don't give two sh*ts about Billy Cox and Gene Ronzani.

I want to see something BIG, man! Let's see some trimmed WATERFRONT cards, guys! Show the world some trimmed Mantles, Mays, Robinsons, Ruths, Gehrigs, Cobbs, Clementes, Aarons, etc.

funny 'WATERFRONT' is my lingo on this forum for years..

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