New Hobby Saying

[tschock]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The scandal gives whole new meaning to the term "short cut"

.... and "Selling Short".

[perezfan]

…. and Small Traditions

[Johnny630]

Does anyone think any card alterers will do jail time ?

I think sadly none will.....to hard to prove.

This will all blow over.....alleged number 1 offenders are still going strong doing business ....TPG’s are still slabbing a record amount of cards .......

It’s all up to the Buyer/Buyer Beware.....I think it’s all priced in.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Does anyone think any card alterers will do jail time ?

I think sadly none will.....to hard to prove.

This will all blow over.....alleged number 1 offenders are still going strong doing business ....TPG’s are still slabbing a record amount of cards .......

It’s all up to the Buyer/Buyer Beware.....I think it’s all priced in.

It is indeed a "buyer beware" environment. The less we support these dealers and less we submit to corrupt TPGs, the more they will feel it in the wallet (and perhaps make some changes in order to stay afloat). Given PSA's arrogance and denial, I doubt that they'll ever change their schtick. But at least an honest/competent/impartial alternative TPG could arise from this.

Do you believe no jail time or punishment will occur just because it's taking so long to see any arrests or indictments from Law Enforcement? Is there any other evidence or reason you believe they'll all get off scot-free? We know the FBI takes quite a while to conduct a full and deep investigation.

I am getting discouraged too... the number of altered cards residing in numbered PSA Holders is accelerating (and showing no signs of slowing down). It is quite frustrating that the shady dealers, card doctors and especially PSA get to conduct business as usual throughout the FBI investigation.

But what is your basis for thinking that no arrests, punishments, or shut-downs will occur in the end? The mountain of indisputable evidence already has them all dead-to-rights.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

It is indeed a "buyer beware" environment. The less we support these dealers and less we submit to corrupt TPGs, the more they will feel it in the wallet (and perhaps make some changes in order to stay afloat). Given PSA's arrogance and denial, I doubt that they'll ever change their schtick. But at least an honest/competent/impartial alternative TPG could arise from this.

Do you believe no jail time or punishment will occur just because it's taking so long to see any arrests or indictments from Law Enforcement? Is there any other evidence or reason you believe they'll all get off scot-free? We know the FBI takes quite a while to conduct a full and deep investigation.

I am getting discouraged too... the number of altered cards residing in numbered PSA Holders is accelerating (and showing no signs of slowing down). It is quite frustrating that the shady dealers, card doctors and especially PSA get to conduct business as usual throughout the FBI investigation.

But what is your basis for thinking that no arrests, punishments, or shut-downs will occur in the end? The mountain of indisputable evidence already has them all dead-to-rights.

Mark I’m more along the lines thinking this.....Auction Houses will have to pay back for bad cards...not criminally Civilly .....if shilling/market manipulation is proven then maybe they are charged criminally for fake sales. As for card doctors I Believe it’s extremely difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a specific person altered said specific card....idk maybe it’s just me being a cynic.

PSA/TPGs will face zero criminal consequences they’re just rendering a opinion.
Only if and Major If there are proven bribes being taken by their employees for specific clients...Major .auction houses may have to sue the TPG for having to buy back so many bad cards...unless it’s proven that they’re in on something with the Graders...idk

It’s really slimeballish we all know this coming into the game...it’s been this way for 30 plus years......doesn't make it right or justifies any of this....that’s why I believe the market and only market can fix this Nothing more noting less buyer beware.

So I think certain auction houses and it’s affiliates whom bid up MAY face some criminal stuff for shill bidding not for altering cards......

I think No card doctors will be prosecuted super hard to prove...

[hcv123]

That the wheels are turning and there will be some level of justice done by the end of it all. Operation bullpen took a long time (months?) to unfold.

I hope heads roll. I am sure there will be others to take their place, just hopefully slow that train down!

[hcv123]

That the wheels are turning and there will be some level of justice done by the end of it all. Operation bullpen took a long time (months?) to unfold.

I hope heads roll. I am sure there will be others to take their place, just hopefully slow that train down!

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by tschock

.... and "Selling Short".

little league

[Fred]

New Hobby Saying....

"It's PSA's opinion that......"

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Fred

New Hobby Saying....

"It's PSA's opinion that......"

It's all a "Billion dollar fraud"

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

It's all a "Billion dollar fraud"

Yes it is but as you should have noticed by now everyone but the few malcontents are in on it and want you to shut up.

[JollyElm]

Overheard at PWCC...

"Wait, this card is still the same price!!! You told me it was 20% off!!!"

(Sound of a paper cutter in the background) "Not off the price, silly, off the card itself."

[hcv123]

this scandal could redefine a % off sale!

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Yes it is but as you should have noticed by now everyone but the few malcontents are in on it and want you to shut up.

That is what is so painfully obvious is that they ARE ALL in on it. and collectors obviously know about what a dogshit company PSA is by now. Yet they keep spoon feeding them $$$ like the imbeciles they are and hope nothing changes. All the while PSA is alienating the collector by censoring everyone and not taking any responsibility for their part. No road map to fix what ails them. Nothing.

THAT IS PRECISELY HOW YOU KNOW they are in on the scam.

[Exhibitman]

Well, saying we know PSA is in on the scam is a bit too tin foil hat for me, but it is certainly accurate to say that PSA's management doesn't care and won't care unless and until this damages the bottom line or results in criminal charges against PSA personnel.

I've stopped submitting cards to PSA, though I still have a back order sitting there since last fall. So take that you greedy dicks! You won't have my 100 cards a year to kick around any more.