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Agree on Rose after he dies. He could be in based on his playing days with a note on his plague about his ban. I just don’t want to see that <insert your favorite 4 letter word here> at the podium in Cooperstown on a nice July day.
Maybe they need a “year of the cheaters” to get it all done at once - Jackson, Rose, other Black Sox, Bonds, Clemens, etc. Some fans will see this as a long awaited correction, others a travesty (but one that is at least over with all at once). These guys being IN the HOF would actually get them less attention after induction than being on the outside looking in. I mean, look at Bert Blylevin. |
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Whitey Ford has readily admitted to being Harris from Major League in his later years (doctoring the ball). Mike Schmidt was the incredible hulk from PEDs. And it's hard to imagine what else used to go on. Most of it was just accepted back then, as long as you didn't throw games to spite a backstabbing owner or get caught betting on games that you managed If the Hall didn't have any cheaters, there'd be a lot of space open there |
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Pride of the Yankees movie project - ongoing Catfish Hunter Regular Season Win Tickets - 25/224 Post Season 0/9 1919 Black Sox - I'm calling it complete...maybe! 1955 Dodger Autographs...41/43 1934 Gas House Gang Autographs...Complete 1969 Cubs Autographs...Black Cat ticket plus 30/50 1960 Pirates autographs...Complete 1961 Yankees autographs...Complete 1971-1975 A's Playoff/WS roster autos...Complete |
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I haven’t heard the Schmidt accusation before, either.
I have heard “there is already a PED user in the HOF” (and have heard so for years). If I were making baseless guesses, Schmidt wouldn’t be on my short list. |
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I heard that also, but always thought (but it has never been confirmed) that it might be Reggie Jackson. I base that only on his last year with Oakland and playing with the Roid Boys, as well as it looked to me like he was a bit bigger. Like I said, pure speculation.
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I'm so glad Walker got in. I think he deserved it for the reasons others have cited, but on top of that he's going to be one of the Hall's best living members. Just a really great guy...even though he's Canadian!
I'm happy about Jeter purely for selfish collector reasons. I have the home plate that he scored his first run on in 2014, along with a ball from the game that he signed.
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If I were making baseless guesses about "baseless guesses", it wouldn't be about a guy who (while having Pete Rose make funny quotes about how amazing Schmidt's body was) hit basically 700 HRs for the era he played in and scooped up everything near third base like a vacuum.... all while admitting how easily available greenies and other forms of PEDs were available in the past, and while saying that he would've taken steroids had he played in the '90s, among other statements where he basically infers that he didn't have the willpower to avoid those temptations at a younger age. Quotes from his book and HBO interview, btw
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But I'm far from an expert on such things...the one thing the whole steroid thing has taught me is that you never know. I mean, for example, everyone thinks of the sluggers as users, but once testing was put in place, more pitchers got popped than hitters. |
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Just my opinion, but if a guy is a Hall of Famer then I don't concern myself with whether he got in on the first try or the 20th try or what vote percentage he got. There's no "first ballot wing" and their vote totals aren't on the plaques. Rivera to me isn't more of a HOFer because he was unanimous. It's more like, how could anyone not vote for him? The fact that writers found insane logic to not vote for others in the past doesn't mean that same logic should be applied to future elections. And it doesn't make Rivera a better player than the HOFers who were elected before him. In my mind, the vote totals are more of a reflection on the voting body than the players they're voting on. I'm admittedly a big Hall guy, I think a HOF with 20 guys in it would be pretty boring. So I try to recognize that there's varying degrees of greatness. Sure, compared to Aaron, Mantle, Mays... the big guns...most everyone falls short. But if compared to 6 or 7 thousand other players, you're the best in the room, well, I'm totally ok with those guys getting a plaque.
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