Ebay seller returned cracked out slab

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't disagree, but how sad that we have got to the point where the "item" is not the card but the slab and flip.

The slab and flip have been the product for a long long time. When a raw card sells for $6 and that exact same card in a slab and flip sells for $500 the only difference is the slab and flip. To me that makes the slab and flip the product, to most the actual card means nothing.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The slab and flip have been the product for a long long time. When a raw card sells for $6 and that exact same card in a slab and flip sells for $500 the only difference is the slab and flip. To me that makes the slab and flip the product, to most the actual card means nothing.

Ben for the win! Auctions even brag about this phenomenon!!! Anyone noticed the back of Leland's auction catalog this month?? I can scan it when I get home for those that don't know.

[Koufax32fan]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Ben for the win! Auctions even brag about this phenomenon!!! Anyone noticed the back of Leland's auction catalog this month?? I can scan it when I get home for those that don't know.

Please do.

[seanofjapan]

I have to side 100% with the seller here.

The question is really about who, buyer or seller, should accept the risk that a graded card gets a lower (or altered, etc) grade on resubmission to another grading company.

I don't see any reason why that risk should lie with the seller. The buyer in cases like this got exactly what they bargained for - the exact card with the exact grade by the exact grading company as advertised. The price they paid reflected this. End of story.

The only exception to this would be situations where the seller either engaged in some sort of fraud (trimmers submitting altered cards) or sellers who sell a card that they know to have been trimmed (previously outed cards, etc) which the grading company missed.

A good faith seller though should not be stuck with this BS.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The slab and flip have been the product for a long long time. When a raw card sells for $6 and that exact same card in a slab and flip sells for $500 the only difference is the slab and flip. To me that makes the slab and flip the product, to most the actual card means nothing.

Yup, the slab and flip are the product, couldn't agree more with that part of the statement. I think for older/vintage material the card does have actual meaning to collectors.

Ben, you nailed it on the flip and slab.