Slightly OT - 2020 Modern Baseball Era HOF Ballot

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not sure how someone with a career OPS of .810 has better numbers than a guy with a career OPS of .933

TRUE, but I guess my point goes past OPS, if you look at their career numbers they are VERY similar, in many cases if we are going on sheer offense stats, The Cobra out performed Edgar, their lifetime averages are only 20 points apart (.290/.312), Parker out hit, out homered, had more RBI's and Doubles. The difference in my mind, Parker played the field. It's a shame that a DH can be elected in to the HoF without 3000 hits, Edgar had 2247.

Not trying to spark a huge baseball debate, but if someone who got into the Hall when compared to an outlier is very similar in stats, then, in my mind, they shouldn't be in the hall. Players going in should have a stat line that puts distance between them and the field of guys on the cusp, or should at the very least been the iconic embodiment of the position they played during the era in which they played. To me, that is the only way that Edgar gets in as a DH, because stat wise, he is in the category of players that normally wouldn't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Edgar's on base percentage was a huge 80 points higher. And his slugging percentage was 40+ points higher.

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Edgar's on base percentage was a huge 80 points higher. And his slugging percentage was 40+ points higher.

And yet he had 230 less RBI's, 30 less Home Runs, and 500 less hits.

Edgar was a 7x All Star, 5x Silver Slugger, and won the batting title twice
Cobra was a 7x All Star, 3x Silver Slugger, and won the batting title twice...
He also was an MVP, went to 2 World Series, was an All Star game MVP, and he was 3x Gold Glove Winner

I'm just saying, they are both great players, I just don't see the a huge difference between the two to make one Hall worthy and the other not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Edgar 68.4 WAR
Parker 40.1

The HOF rests its case.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hall of Stats
Edgar 136
Parker 78

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Hall of Stats
Edgar 136
Parker 78

Roger that, moot point if there ever was one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by yanks87

Roger that, moot point if there ever was one.

How so? I have found it a pretty reliable site for rating players.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Their similar counting stats were accrued with a difference of around 2000 plate appearances or almost 4 seasons less. That's a MASSIVE difference in impact. The only category in which Parker was superior per plate appearance was triples. By that logic Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean aren't HOF'ers because their counting numbers don't add up.

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Their similar counting stats were accrued with a difference of around 2000 plate appearances or almost 4 seasons less. That's a MASSIVE difference in impact. The only category in which Parker was superior per plate appearance was triples. By that logic Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean aren't HOF'ers because their counting numbers don't add up.

I saw that too. To me, I guess that helps my Parker argument as he sustained a high level for what is equal to 4 more seasons than Edgar.

I'm the crazy guy yelling in the street, a roll I am very familiar with. I am sure Edgar is a worthy addition, I just hate the thought of the HoF becoming the equivalent of a Participation Trophy, damn kids and their "everyone's a winner," approach to life....

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by yanks87

I saw that too. To me, I guess that helps my Parker argument as he sustained a high level for what is equal to 4 more seasons than Edgar.

I'm the crazy guy yelling in the street, a roll I am very familiar with. I am sure Edgar is a worthy addition, I just hate the thought of the HoF becoming the equivalent of a Participation Trophy, damn kids and their "everyone's a winner," approach to life....

I would argue it DOESN'T mean that though. It means he sustained an above average level for longer than Martinez sustained a great level. Give me a guy who was a stud for 10 years before you give me a guy who was good for 15, or, God forbid, Harold Baines for 20... Now THAT'S a participation trophy.

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I would argue it DOESN'T mean that though. It means he sustained an above average level for longer than Martinez sustained a great level. Give me a guy who was a stud for 10 years before you give me a guy who was good for 15, or, God forbid, Harold Baines for 20... Now THAT'S a participation trophy.

Don't get me started on Baines...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah, next to Baines, Parker is first ballot LOL.