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[calvindog]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

bob should change his user name to Anne Sullivan.

Was she the deaf, dumb and blind one or the miracle worker?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I leave it to Burkett to improve the lyric.

Wonder of wonders
Miracle of miracles
Bob took a sign that was rusted brown
Cotton and water and
Miracle of miracles
It's now the finest sign around

[oldjudge]

Bob-If you bought an ugly looking sign in REA and cleaned it up so it looked really nice, why resell it? Were you always planning for it to be a resale item? If so, how did you know it would clean up with only distilled water? Seems like a collector like yourself would want to keep a good looking item.

[Leon]

This is a bunch of BS. If Bob said he used water and cotton balls then that is what he used. Believe what he said or not, but your poem proves the lynch mob mentality some have around here. You aren't helping the cause in detecting real fraud. There was none here and no matter what anyone says or contorts there won't be any. On the other hand the card trimming, recoloring etc... that is going on is real fraud.

And I too think Al did all of the right things with the auction. As soon as information was found out about it was made known. There were no victims and no harm was done. Quite a difference from slab-gate....

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I leave it to Burkett to improve the lyric.

Wonder of wonders
Miracle of miracles
Bob took a sign that was rusted brown
Cotton and water and
Miracle of miracles
It's now the finest sign around

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

This is a bunch of BS. If Bob said he used water and cotton balls then that is what he used. Believe what he said or not, but your poem proves the lynch mob mentality some have around here. You aren't helping the cause in detecting real fraud. There was none here and no matter what anyone says or contorts there won't be any. On the other hand the card trimming, recoloring etc... that is going on is real fraud.

And I too think Al did all of the right things with the auction. As soon as information was found out about it was made known. There were no victims and no harm was done. Quite a difference from slab-gate....

Dude it's tongue in cheek, Jesus. Satire. Parody. Since you don't seem to know, it's a take off on a song from Fiddler on the Roof inspired by the reference to a miracle. I am sorry you don't appreciate the humor. Maybe I need a better lyricist.

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dude it's tongue in cheek, Jesus. Satire. Parody.

Just more gas on a fire that should never have been started in the first place.

[Republicaninmass]

Thought Bob had/owned his own auction house ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Just more gas on a fire that should never have been started in the first place.

Oh please David. Spare me the self-righteousness, really. It's an admittedly stupid song parody like a hundred others Frank and I have done.

[Exhibitman]

I will defer to the memorabilia collectors w/r/t the sign cleaning. That said, I cannot imagine not cleaning grime from an item I buy; some of the non-card stuff I've handled is so grungy that it is unpleasant to handle.

As for the E95 Cobb, it is apparent on looking at the scan that there is damage on the top border and red color. You'd have to be blind to miss it.

I went back and read the LOTG note because it reads to me like the people here read two completely different texts. Here is what is says in pertinent part:

"PLEASE NOTE: We received an email from an astute collector the night before the auction closed, asking about what appears to be an erasure of a small stain along the top border of the card. In reviewing the card, it does appear that at some point, there was a small stain (remnants of which are still visible in the scan) along the top border of the card, just left of the center. It appears that an attempt was made to remove the stain at some point, which has resulted in a minor discoloration of the red background along the very top border (also visible in the scan). This card was graded quite some time ago, and we are unsure of whether SGC factored the discoloration into their grade, or if they missed it. Regardless, it is visible. While our policy is to withdraw items that are discovered to be altered, in this case we believe the alteration is visible enough that it is debatable whether or not it was done deceptively. Despite this, we are sending an errata email to all bidders on the card, and giving them the opportunity to cancel their bids on the card if they so choose."

So, the card has a visible flaw that SGC may have considered: since it has no qualifiers, we don't know. The card was offered up with a big scan (click the enlarge button) that clearly shows the flaw. When it was brought to Al's attention the last day of the auction, he contacted all of the bidders and offered to let them retract their bids. The winner chose to buy the card anyway. I fail to see the harm. If it was my bid, I would prefer the option of maintaining the bid if I found the card acceptable. That would seem to be the best outcome for the consignor, the winner, and the AH.

Lemme ask the naysayers this: if I sell this card with this scan do I have to disclose that it has back damage? Is that where we are?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oh please David. Spare me the self-righteousness, really. It's an admittedly stupid song parody like a hundred others Frank and I have done.

Even though I'm 100% with "Team LOTG" on this, I chuckled at Peter's song, and did not sense any malice. It was clever, and just all in fun, IMO. My parents must've played the Fiddler on the Roof Soundtrack 1,000 times when we were growing up, to the point we knew every word of every song.

But (with regards to the Reach Sign) I do agree that this whole thing is a silly and unnecessary distraction from the serious fraud that's plaquing our hobby. Let's focus our efforts on the true restoration/alteration that is not being disclosed, and is bilking people to no end.

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oh please David. Spare me the self-righteousness, really. It's an admittedly stupid song parody like a hundred others Frank and I have done.

Spare me the patronizing. Wasn't referring to your parody. It's a fine parody. This thread was started by an ankle-biting hobby nobody with a bitch on for LOTG. Al made a judgement call on an ambiguous matter and everybody wants to roast his ass. Maybe you think this thread is all in good fun but I think it is disrespectful to an honest hard-working guy.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Leon

This is a bunch of BS. If Bob said he used water and cotton balls then that is what he used. Believe what he said or not, but your poem proves the lynch mob mentality some have around here. You aren't helping the cause in detecting real fraud. There was none here and no matter what anyone says or contorts there won't be any. On the other hand the card trimming, recoloring etc... that is going on is real fraud.

And I too think Al did all of the right things with the auction. As soon as information was found out about it was made known. There were no victims and no harm was done. Quite a difference from slab-gate....

Agreed. Nice job with the water Bob!